Offseason rumors/discussion thread

[CSF77]

If we think now is the time to trade Edwards, he is not the one who is high. Hey-ohhhhhh

I doubt that KC would take on contract. Happ is cheap still. He has decent starter value. After that you would think pitching which Underwood and/or sending back Mills.

 

[chibears55]

I doubt that KC would take on contract. Happ is cheap still. He has decent starter value. After that you would think pitching which Underwood and/or sending back Mills.

Lol...
When i suggested Merrifield for a package that included those guys you said it wouldn't work ..

Now it out there as rumor and your suggesting same guys..lol

 

[CSF77]

Lol...
When i suggested Merrifield for a package that included those guys you said it wouldn't work ..

Now it out there as rumor and your suggesting same guys..lol

Edwards will cost 1.4M
Chatwood: 13M
Russell: 4M

They are not flipping less than a 1M for 18M of head aches.

Happ pre Arb lots of control
Underwood: full contol pre Arb
Mills pre arb plenty of control

These guys have pitched at the MLB level and make sense. Even flipping Maples also. They have traded with the Cubs and taken on players that needed opertunity to grow. Cubs are not in a developmental phase so it makes sense

Normally you don’t turn over a talent like Witt except he is hitting 30 at Arb with speed as his biggest tool. Really not a great match for a team like KC who is rebuilding. For the Cubs it is perfect because they need production now.

 

[chibears55]

Edwards will cost 1.4M
Chatwood: 13M
Russell: 4M

They are not flipping less than a 1M for 18M of head aches.

Happ pre Arb lots of control
Underwood: full contol pre Arb
Mills pre arb plenty of control

These guys have pitched at the MLB level and make sense. Even flipping Maples also. They have traded with the Cubs and taken on players that needed opertunity to grow. Cubs are not in a developmental phase so it makes sense

Normally you don’t turn over a talent like Witt except he is hitting 30 at Arb with speed as his biggest tool. Really not a great match for a team like KC who is rebuilding. For the Cubs it is perfect because they need production now.

I wasn't suggesting a package of them all together

Brett wasn't sure they had anything to trade and i just posted possible names they can move to get him

You said none of those names would do it and suggested it would start with their top prospects

Now that an actual rumor came out, you're now suggesting Happ etc.

 

[CSF77]

I wasn't suggesting a package of them all together

Brett wasn't sure they had anything to trade and i just posted possible names they can move to get him

You said none of those names would do it and suggested it would start with their top prospects

Now that an actual rumor came out, you're now suggesting Happ etc.

The suggestion on the Rumor made more sense from KC’s perspective. They are not going to want to add dead weight.

I would be perfectly fine with flipping those 4. All have upside and no opertunity.

Then pack up Chatwood and Duesing for Fowler.

That creates a nice top of the line up and opens up the pen for improvement.

 

[chibears55]

The suggestion on the Rumor made more sense from KC’s perspective. They are not going to want to add dead weight.

I would be perfectly fine with flipping those 4. All have upside and no opertunity.

Then pack up Chatwood and Duesing for Fowler.

That creates a nice top of the line up and opens up the pen for improvement.

Russell Schwarber Happ pitching prospects aren't dead weight as i suggested as choices...

I only threw Chatwood in there because he is available if any team wants him

 

[CSF77]

Russell Schwarber Happ pitching prospects aren't dead weight as i suggested as choices...

I only threw Chatwood in there because he is available if any team wants him

It is dead weight and lopsided. Cubs get 5WAR for less than a mil. KC gains 18M and less than 3. That is called stupid logic.

Russell will cost 4M Schwarber ARB1 and 2-4M. Happ comes at low cost. Debatable honestly. I question if Jed would move his core like this with out a exit plan. That is moving both LF options for a 2B.

To only solution is adding Gordon from KC and Chatwood from Chi

So Schwarber, Chatwood, Russell for Gordon, Merrifield. That becomes a intriguing match up then.

 

[chibears55]

It is dead weight and lopsided. Cubs get 5WAR for less than a mil. KC gains 18M and less than 3. That is called stupid logic.

Where you getting 18 mil from????

Again

Im not suggesting trading all those pieces or even Chatwood to the Royals..lol

I simply responded to Brett as to what pieces they have for trades...

Any trades to any teams

LMAO
Wow

 

[CSF77]

This is the thing. You will not get cash relief by trading low value players. Chatwood is a bad trade in general and no team will take him on unless they can push a bad deal out in it.

Schwarber is getting into the cash now and is a borderline quality player. He is a gamble still because his bat could become a .280 hitter like Baez did. So the potential makes me personally pause honestly.

Russell meh. All I have to say. He isbackwards value now. Sure he could turn it around but he is far short of what was projected.

Happ accually has good value. I could ball him and Almora up and say ya these 2 could bring something back. Both young and pre arb. Neither suck in the OF.

Over all I believe the Cubs need a proven player at this point. They have too many underachieving types and they need to reduce there. Heyward they are not getting out of. But Almora or Happ are easy moves. That is the way I look at it. Russell is a hard move. You would have to get a disliking return to facilitate. Schwarber is a player that you hesitate on. If you have a clear upgrade in hand you lose nothing and gain in a deal. But dealing to deal you lose with him.

 

[chibears55]

This is the thing. You will not get cash relief by trading low value players. Chatwood is a bad trade in general and no team will take him on unless they can push a bad deal out in it.

Schwarber is getting into the cash now and is a borderline quality player. He is a gamble still because his bat could become a .280 hitter like Baez did. So the potential makes me personally pause honestly.

Russell meh. All I have to say. He isbackwards value now. Sure he could turn it around but he is far short of what was projected.

Happ accually has good value. I could ball him and Almora up and say ya these 2 could bring something back. Both young and pre arb. Neither suck in the OF.

Over all I believe the Cubs need a proven player at this point. They have too many underachieving types and they need to reduce there. Heyward they are not getting out of. But Almora or Happ are easy moves. That is the way I look at it. Russell is a hard move. You would have to get a disliking return to facilitate. Schwarber is a player that you hesitate on. If you have a clear upgrade in hand you lose nothing and gain in a deal. But dealing to deal you lose with him.

So they trade nobody sign nobody and hope for the best in 2019
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[CSF77]

So they trade nobody sign nobody and hope for the best in 2019
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To be honest I’m expecting Chavez and Andrew Miller as F/A.

Trades are a bit trickier. But gaining inseason value might be the smarter choice vs selling off of low value.

 

[chibears55]

To be honest I’m expecting Chavez and Andrew Miller as F/A.

Trades are a bit trickier. But gaining inseason value might be the smarter choice vs selling off of low value.

Awesome [emoji106]

 

[CSF77]

Awesome [emoji106]

They were up with the league leaders with O 1/2 half

 

[TL1961]

The suggestion on the Rumor made more sense from KC’s perspective. They are not going to want to add dead weight.

I would be perfectly fine with flipping those 4. All have upside and no opertunity.

Then pack up Chatwood and Duesing for Fowler.

That creates a nice top of the line up and opens up the pen for improvement.

Why on earth would we want Fowler?

 

[MDB111™]

To be honest I’m expecting Chavez and Andrew Miller as F/A.

Trades are a bit trickier. But gaining inseason value might be the smarter choice vs selling off of low value.

dayum ANdrew Miller would be nice

 

[Diehardfan]

Why on earth would we want Fowler?

If you're given a choice of one horrible contract that you HAVE to keep....would it be Chatwood or Fowler? Personally, if I have to see Chatwood pitch as a Cub one more fucking time, I'm gonna barf. With Fowler...maybe he rejuvenates himself coming back to where he had his best success and steps back into the lead off role. If not, it's still far, FAR better than another year of Chatwood.

 

[CSF77]

If you're given a choice of one horrible contract that you HAVE to keep....would it be Chatwood or Fowler? Personally, if I have to see Chatwood pitch as a Cub one more fucking time, I'm gonna barf. With Fowler...maybe he rejuvenates himself coming back to where he had his best success and steps back into the lead off role. If not, it's still far, FAR better than another year of Chatwood.

Chatwood walked near 1 guy per inning while leading the league in walks in 100 innings. It is a fucking embarrassing contract that needs to be aborted by any means necessary. So taking on Fowler is a fucking euphoria

 

[Castor76]

Free agent wise, whether or not the money could be worked out, the only bat that interest me is Harper. Machado is nice enough that his splits don't say platoon, but his OBP has only had two good, i.e. > .350, years. He'd bring line up stability, but not enough for my taste.

Bringing back Chavez and adding Miller, hoping he regains form, would make me quite happy. For me, one of the best things about bringing back both Quintana and Hamels is that it either protects if Darvish never really gets healthy this year or just doesn't produce or that one of them, probably Quintana, could be packaged during the season to try to bring another piece back if the team feels confident in the other 4 for the playoffs.

Worse comes to worse, both Quintana and Hamels could make nice trade off pieces if the season goes horribly.

 

[kapooncha]

Free agent wise, whether or not the money could be worked out, the only bat that interest me is Harper. Machado is nice enough that his splits don't say platoon, but his OBP has only had two good, i.e. > .350, years. He'd bring line up stability, but not enough for my taste.

Bringing back Chavez and adding Miller, hoping he regains form, would make me quite happy. For me, one of the best things about bringing back both Quintana and Hamels is that it either protects if Darvish never really gets healthy this year or just doesn't produce or that one of them, probably Quintana, could be packaged during the season to try to bring another piece back if the team feels confident in the other 4 for the playoffs.

Worse comes to worse, both Quintana and Hamels could make nice trade off pieces if the season goes horribly.

I agree with you. I'm not that interested in Machado. I'd prefer to keep Russell and let him have another shot at SS.

I'm a Harper fan for sure. I think he'd be a good fit.

 

[Omeletpants]

Harper is the most overrated player in MLB