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Why would you not buy the Whtie Sox? Team has the most flexibility out of all the teams mentioned.

A) if your Harper why would you want to lock into a team that won 62 games? Sure they have a good farm system but that's a pretty big risk as prospects aren't sure things. People have compared the sox to the cubs signing lester but the cubs won 73 games in 2014 not 62 and the difference there is Lester knew this front office. Harper has no connection to the sox group.

B) what makes anyone truly think the sox want to spend money? I pointed this out before but in the past like 15 years they haven't spent more than $15 mil annually on any FA. Suddenly they are going to jump to $30 mil for Harper? I don't buy it.
 

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I wouldn't resign yourself to that. I'm more convinced than ever that Harper will sign here. The market is not shaping up, the Dodgers are just dipping their toes in and are one signing away from being out and aren't interested in the long term deal. The fact that the Cubs have done nothing means they haven't found the right deal to move salary in order to do it and Harper just sits out there. Boras is saying nothing nothing negative about the team's finances despite the fact that this is the team his player has wanted to play for all along. Plus the Cubs have clearly not gone to plan B yet. They aren't going to spend a lot of money if they don't sign Harper so they're two completely different plans. I'm still between the Cubs and Dodgers and it could go either way but right now I think it points to the Cubs. Ask me again tomorrow.

I'm not sure I'd say convinced but I tend to agree with you that it feels like where this is headed. It's worth noting theo said in order to sign someone impactful they would need to get creative. He didn't say they couldn't. So, the fact they haven't done really anything this offseason does make you wonder if they are working the phones trying to put together the necessary moves.
 

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Why would you not buy the Whtie Sox? Team has the most flexibility out of all the teams mentioned.

No offense, but I don't the link the lights are bright enough for him. I think they're more likely than Philadelphia at this point from a standpoint that I don't think he likes the city, but this is a guy looking for his legacy and there's risk involved. That, combined with the fact that it's been reported that the White Sox are not planning on making record breaking offers to either Harper or Machado, instead selling them on their commitment to winning, and I don't think he's going there. That said I think your guys have a more than even shot at Machado, especially if New York drops out which I think they ultimately will.
 

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I'm not sure I'd say convinced but I tend to agree with you that it feels like where this is headed. It's worth noting theo said in order to sign someone impactful they would need to get creative. He didn't say they couldn't. So, the fact they haven't done really anything this offseason does make you wonder if they are working the phones trying to put together the necessary moves.

I'm convinced TODAY. That's why I said ask me tomorrow. I am convinced it's Cubs or Dodgers, with a weird off chance of going back to Washington if it all goes south. I think that's fairly unlikely though as I expect Chicago or LA to step up.
 

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A) if your Harper why would you want to lock into a team that won 62 games? Sure they have a good farm system but that's a pretty big risk as prospects aren't sure things. People have compared the sox to the cubs signing lester but the cubs won 73 games in 2014 not 62 and the difference there is Lester knew this front office. Harper has no connection to the sox group.

B) what makes anyone truly think the sox want to spend money? I pointed this out before but in the past like 15 years they haven't spent more than $15 mil annually on any FA. Suddenly they are going to jump to $30 mil for Harper? I don't buy it.

A) There is an opt out that Harper/Machado could get if the team does not make leaps like they could. They are in many respects similar to teams like the Astros and Cubs
B) They went after Belle, they went after Abreu. They offered top dollar to A-Rod. It happens. Who is to say that it still won't? This is a team in a different position than they have been in the past 15 years.
 

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No offense, but I don't the link the lights are bright enough for him. I think they're more likely than Philadelphia at this point from a standpoint that I don't think he likes the city, but this is a guy looking for his legacy and there's risk involved. That, combined with the fact that it's been reported that the White Sox are not planning on making record breaking offers to either Harper or Machado, instead selling them on their commitment to winning, and I don't think he's going there. That said I think your guys have a more than even shot at Machado, especially if New York drops out which I think they ultimately will.

They've also said that they are able to come up with the top dollars if the timing is right.
 

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They've also said that they are able to come up with the top dollars if the timing is right.

Look, maybe they will. Right now we don't know anything at all and I think this thing goes to the end of January. If the white Sox are the last man standing, then I'll eat my words. Right now I think a team like the Cubs or Dodgers would have to get to $350 mil while the White Sox and Phillies would have to go higher than that. As far as the opt out you mention, I think those are a given. Harper is expected to ask for the first opt out in two years so he can enter the market with Trout if that works for him. A high end market will form around Trout and the theory goes that Harper could capitalize with the teams that lose out. After that I'd expect one at years 4 and 6.
 

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A) There is an opt out that Harper/Machado could get if the team does not make leaps like they could. They are in many respects similar to teams like the Astros and Cubs
B) They went after Belle, they went after Abreu. They offered top dollar to A-Rod. It happens. Who is to say that it still won't? This is a team in a different position than they have been in the past 15 years.

I mean look i'm not trying to shit on your team man but you're talking about Albert Belle from 20 years ago, Arod who they didn't sign and Abreu who was an unproven IFA who this year is only making $13 mil. Comparing that to signing the literal preeminent FA on the market to me is just a stretch. I honestly don't care if they tried to sign Arod if you don't get it done what does it matter and again even using that example was what 2001?

The simple fact of the matter is that in 15 years 15! they haven't even attempted to sign a player even close to stature as Harper/Machado. Rationalize that however you like but until it happens you should be very skeptical. The FA game is hard enough when you know a team will spend money. I mean hell the cards and nats thought they had a shot at Heyward and still missed out. So, even if the money is there its far from any kind of guarantee they have a shot.

Since 2000 the sox have never had an opening payroll over $128 mil. If the $30 mil AAV is to be believed on Harper, that's literally 1/4th of their budget. If that's the case it's honestly a terrible signing for them to begin with. Putting that much of your payroll into one player is never a good idea(see Arod in texas and Cano in seattle). The simple fact of the matter is there's a vast difference between 1/4th of your payroll for the sox and ~1/7th of your payroll for teams at or over the luxury tax. Simply stated, it takes roughly $60-70 mil to field a 25 man roster as that's roughly what Oakland/TB spend. If the sox are a $130 mil team, that means you have roughly $30-40 mil you can spend around Harper. $30-40 mil doesn't turn a 62 win team with the 5 or so win harper into a playoff contender.

If you want the sox to be good and given you're a sox fan I assume that's the case you shouldn't want harper because he is never going to be a surplus value on the contract he gets and mid market teams have to win on contracts they sign. High market teams can afford to over pay on a sure thing. A team like the sox can take $30 mil and spend it way more wise if they know what they are doing. I mean look at what bill beane can do with $30 mil
 

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Meh.....weak hitting, no power.....perfect

Actually he hit 13 HR last year in about twice the PA he'll get with the Cubs. He's the replacement for La Stella, better defense, can play SS if needed and will hit maybe 6 HR to la Stella's 2 in a bench role. It's nothing to get worked up about either way.
 

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The pick up was expected. They were looking for a flex player.
 

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Actually he hit 13 HR last year in about twice the PA he'll get with the Cubs. He's the replacement for La Stella, better defense, can play SS if needed and will hit maybe 6 HR to la Stella's 2 in a bench role. It's nothing to get worked up about either way.

other than the dollar crunch and stella probably only at 1.2 million, but the deal has a 2020 option of 3.5 with a million dollar buyout. So its more like 2/6 if he leaves after 2 and dollar signs are in the dreams of Bryant and Baez.
 

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After seeing a report that SanFrancisco looking for an Outfielder and their once interest in Heyward.

Makes me wonder if that a deal that can be pulled off to free some cash for Harper
 

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Hmm, looks like he'll blend in swimmingly! He struck out 110 times in 349AB last year.
Over 600AB which he is NOT going to get but if he did, he would have 189 K's which would put him at tops in the NL.

Aren't we looking for more contact guys, he hit .238 last year. I see it says he has post season experience as well. Yes he does, he hit .226 in the post season with an OBP of .284.

Well I hope we at least get a solid relief pitcher.
 

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After seeing a report that SanFrancisco looking for an Outfielder and their once interest in Heyward.

Makes me wonder if that a deal that can be pulled off to free some cash for Harper

I wouldn’t bank on it honestly.

I do see their top need a BP arm with Morrow shelved. They addressed their other need in Russell out for Apr.

Anything else is plausible to pipe dream guess work.
 

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