OT: Justin Fields Signs With NY Jets, Darnold/Seahawks, Stafford/Rams, Geno Smith/Raiders, Carr/Saints

[msadows]

Justin's biggest issues here were also Caleb's biggest issues last year and Mahomes' issues in the Super Bowl - an offensive line that's completely overwhelmed.

The rumblings out of Pittsburgh is that Justin's their top priority - if that's truly their plan they have to be comfortable with his floor and feel that he's their best opportunity to have a long-term starter. If that's so - good for Justin.

My guess all along was that pitt keeps him at a fairly cheap deal(10m/yr) and drafts a QB with their first that has a similar(but shittier) skillset in milroe.

 

[msadows]

It's also that he struggles to process and doesn't throw guys open, or really attack the middle of the field at the second level.

You could also say that about Hurts in the regular season. @DanielCCSBears

 

[dennehy]

You could also say that about Hurts in the regular season. @DanielCCSBears

Yes, you could.

 

[--CyBear--]

Justin's biggest issues here were also Caleb's biggest issues last year and Mahomes' issues in the Super Bowl - an offensive line that's completely overwhelmed.

The rumblings out of Pittsburgh is that Justin's their top priority - if that's truly their plan they have to be comfortable with his floor and feel that he's their best opportunity to have a long-term starter. If that's so - good for Justin.

I agree but the salary thing is real. Doesn't mean that whomever signs him or the league will be right about his long term goodness and if he doesn't get PAID, I hope he proves them all wrong, just like some high paid fails do. One continuing issue I see is that he had one fumble per start last year. The opposite of that is his lack of interceptions but he was also being too cautious throwing. He'll need to launch a few more to Pickens to fight for and keep in the game if he's retained. Pickens is generally a good bet to win those and needs targets to maintain focus in the game.

 

[Moses Moreno]

It's also that he struggles to process and doesn't throw guys open, or really attack the middle of the field at the second level.

Go look at Caleb's accuracy down the field with the Bears. Was pretty damn good in USC and historically bad here. No trust in the OL = loss of confidence. Putting that on Justin when it's pretty obvious that it was a systemic issue is goofy. The entire coaching regime is gone because last year's evaluation of the offense was 100% wrong. Did you watch the games this year?

My guess all along was that pitt keeps him at a fairly cheap deal(10m/yr) and drafts a QB with their first that has a similar(but shittier) skillset in milroe.

Dart doesn't last to their pick and this draft is asscheeks. Word last week was $15M for a prove it deal with him elsewhere - they're not going to be paying him as a bridge honestly there are better options for that role (Cousins on a min deal, and if they can stomach the idea of Rodgers, him too).

The QB market favors him this off-season. There's more QB needy teams than there are QBs - only him and Darnold have any semblance of youth to them and he's clearly the highest upside of the lot. If he's choosing a spot - he's choosing a spot that without question wants him to be "their guy".

 

[dennehy]

Go look at Caleb's accuracy down the field with the Bears. Was pretty damn good in USC and historically bad here. No trust in the OL = loss of confidence. Putting that on Justin when it's pretty obvious that it was a systemic issue is goofy. The entire coaching regime is gone because last year's evaluation of the offense was 100% wrong. Did you watch the games this year?

Lol, goofy is what your predictions about him have been for the last year and half.

Yes, of course I watched the games. I can still objectively comment on how I think Caleb played and his strengths and weaknesses despite the poor OL play and scheme. It's really not that hard.

I never mentioned his accuracy. He's never been good at pulling the trigger or throwing guys open. He wasn't really with PIT either from what I saw.

 

[msadows]

Go look at Caleb's accuracy down the field with the Bears. Was pretty damn good in USC and historically bad here. No trust in the OL = loss of confidence. Putting that on Justin when it's pretty obvious that it was a systemic issue is goofy. The entire coaching regime is gone because last year's evaluation of the offense was 100% wrong. Did you watch the games this year?


Dart doesn't last to their pick and this draft is asscheeks. Word last week was $15M for a prove it deal with him elsewhere - they're not going to be paying him as a bridge honestly there are better options for that role (Cousins on a min deal, and if they can stomach the idea of Rodgers, him too).

The QB market favors him this off-season. There's more QB needy teams than there are QBs - only him and Darnold have any semblance of youth to them and he's clearly the highest upside of the lot. If he's choosing a spot - he's choosing a spot that without question wants him to be "their guy".

With arthur smith I think they want milroe - Who i think is complete and utter ass cheeks

Its a terrible year to be QB needy, the only guy in the draft who looks like may have real NFL talent is cam ward, and even he would have been a 2nd rounder last year.

If they go for rodgers or cousins thats stupid, they should keep justin, pass on a QB and rebuild/tank for a qb in 2026. You aren't going to find your QB of the future winning 8-10 games every year.

 

[--CyBear--]

Lol, goofy is what your predictions about him have been for the last year and half.

Yes, of course I watched the games. I can still objectively comment on how I think Caleb played and his strengths and weaknesses despite the poor OL play and scheme. It's really not that hard.

I never mentioned his accuracy. He's never been good at pulling the trigger or throwing guys open. He wasn't really with PIT either from what I saw.

He got conservative throwing the middle here and in Pitt. Teams doubled Pickens a lot because of it. He likes Pitt so I hope he does well there but I also wish he had a better fit at OC.

 

[DefNextYear]

Its a terrible year to be QB needy, the only guy in the draft who looks like may have real NFL talent is cam ward, and even he would have been a 2nd rounder last year.

All things considered, I'd probably take Dart with a non-first round pick. That feels to be the best value to me and I think he has a good chance to be the best QB of the class (which is a low bar).

 

[dennehy]

All things considered, I'd probably take Dart with a non-first round pick. That feels to be the best value to me and I think he has a good chance to be the best QB of the class (which is a low bar).

I think he will be drafted higher than many people are predicting.

 

[Moses Moreno]

Lol, goofy is what your predictions about him have been for the last year and half.

Yes, of course I watched the games. I can still objectively comment on how I think Caleb played and his strengths and weaknesses despite the poor OL play and scheme. It's really not that hard.

I never mentioned his accuracy. He's never been good at pulling the trigger or throwing guys open. He wasn't really with PIT either from what I saw.

"The Haul" was in part about his unrealized potential and additionally about addressing the lack of talent on the roster with the assets coming back from trading back. Regarding Fields - it's pretty clear that his arrow is still pointed up and if the Steelers don't let him leave the building and commit to him being their guy - their opinion of him would be much closer to mine than the prevailing thought that has existed throughout the fanbase he's worthless.

The Steelers are 100% in win now mode and if they stick with Justin - good for him.

 

[dennehy]

"The Haul" was in part about his unrealized potential and additionally about addressing the lack of talent on the roster with the assets coming back from trading back. Regarding Fields - it's pretty clear that his arrow is still pointed up and if the Steelers don't let him leave the building and commit to him being their guy - their opinion of him would be much closer to mine than the prevailing thought that has existed throughout the fanbase he's worthless.

The Steelers are 100% in win now mode and if they stick with Justin - good for him.

You can form whatever narrative about "The Haul" you want in retrospect. The fact remains it was never going to happen. And LOL that the fan base thinks he's worthless because people point out his flaws. The fan base thought that the #1 pick was a much better option. I think many of us thought Fields had value, but that his ceiling is not as high as someone like Williams or Daniels.

The Steelers are basically an NBA team in purgatory. They have been for a decade. I also hope Justin finds a good situation. He can be successful given the right system and players around him. I think if he stays with PIT they will remain about where they've been, around a .500 team. That will probably be the case no matter who they get.

 

[DefNextYear]

I think he will be drafted higher than many people are predicting.

Yea, maybe... wouldn't shock me cause I do think there's a lot of need, no good FAs, and it's a weak draft.

 

[--CyBear--]

"The Haul" was in part about his unrealized potential and additionally about addressing the lack of talent on the roster with the assets coming back from trading back. Regarding Fields - it's pretty clear that his arrow is still pointed up and if the Steelers don't let him leave the building and commit to him being their guy - their opinion of him would be much closer to mine than the prevailing thought that has existed throughout the fanbase he's worthless.

The Steelers are 100% in win now mode and if they stick with Justin - good for him.

Steelers are and have always been in win now mode. They haven't had a losing season in over 20 years. They made the playoffs year before last with Pickett and Rudolf.

 

[Moses Moreno]

• I think the Pittsburgh Steelers are shaping up to be interesting quarterback suitors. They have a team that’s ready to win now, with T.J. Watt and Minkah Fitzpatrick in their primes as leaders of a staunch defense, a fast-improving offensive line group, and a solid crew of skill players. They also don’t have forever to win with the core that’s in place.

So, this should be the time for GM Omar Khan to act with some urgency. There are a lot of folks in Pittsburgh ready to move on from Wilson. Justin Fields, on the other hand, is someone they’d love to keep working with—but he may not have done quite enough to be awarded the starting job without qualifications. And options in the draft are, again, sparse.


I think the Steelers are going to take a look at a lot of different ideas in the coming weeks, which could lead to someone like Stafford or Rodgers heading to Pittsburgh.

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[Discus fish salesman]

• I think the Pittsburgh Steelers are shaping up to be interesting quarterback suitors. They have a team that’s ready to win now, with T.J. Watt and Minkah Fitzpatrick in their primes as leaders of a staunch defense, a fast-improving offensive line group, and a solid crew of skill players. They also don’t have forever to win with the core that’s in place.

So, this should be the time for GM Omar Khan to act with some urgency. There are a lot of folks in Pittsburgh ready to move on from Wilson. Justin Fields, on the other hand, is someone they’d love to keep working with—but he may not have done quite enough to be awarded the starting job without qualifications. And options in the draft are, again, sparse.


I think the Steelers are going to take a look at a lot of different ideas in the coming weeks, which could lead to someone like Stafford or Rodgers heading to Pittsburgh.

10 Story Lines to Watch in the 2025 NFL Offseason

Will the Eagles’ Super Bowl win set off a copycat effect?

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I dont understand the Steelers are a win now team. The OL is mediocre. The weapons are almost non existent outside pickens who will likely be gone in a year as he's been burning bridges and the secondary is atrocious. But they do have good pass rushers and minkah.

 

[DefNextYear]

Unfortunately for the Steelers, they look pretty hopeless. They have more than 3x the financial investment on defense with no exciting standouts grooming offensively. I don't even like Smith as an OC. They seem primed to be a fringe playoff team indefinitely.

 

[DefNextYear]

The whole time I thought it was great that Fields could learn from Wilson and Tomlin.

I said when it happened that I didn’t understand why anyone thought the Steelers would be a good place for Fields. Weapons kinda suck... Tomlin turned over his entire QB room cause he didn't help develop anyone... and I don't like Arthur Smith either. Also, Arthur Smith reportedly didn't even like Fields before.

 

[Moses Moreno]

I said when it happened that I didn’t understand why anyone thought the Steelers would be a good place for Fields. Weapons kinda suck... Tomlin turned over his entire QB room cause he didn't help develop anyone... and I don't like Arthur Smith either. Also, Arthur Smith reportedly didn't even like Fields before.

He's a fan now and made it extremely clear in the season that he preferred Justin over Russell.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889743576298303743

With that wording it's pretty clear they won't be in the Fields market but they'll be going after a Winston type.

 

[dennehy]

He's a fan now and made it extremely clear in the season that he preferred Justin over Russell.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889743576298303743

With that wording it's pretty clear they won't be in the Fields market but they'll be going after a Winston type.

Is it clear? To me, they just want someone who can compete with him, doesn't matter style.

Maybe you mean something else?