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[didshereallysaythat]

Please cite 31 year old QB's in Cutler's situation and with his lack of success who were rewarded with a contract that made them the highest paid player in the league.

Thanks!

Every year the value is increased. Not every year is every QB getting a new contract. Because of that, some years worse QBs will be paid higher than better QBs. The best way to look at it would be to compare total money earned over their entire career vs their stats and the rate of inflation. I am comfortable in saying that Cutler's money will fit right in with what other QBs will have made with similar production.

 

[FirstTimer]

Every year the value is increased. Not every year is every QB getting a new contract. Because of that, some years worse QBs will be paid higher than better QBs. The best way to look at it would be to compare total money earned over their entire career vs their stats and the rate of inflation. I am comfortable in saying that Cutler's money will fit right in with what other QBs will have made with similar production.

Please cite 31 year old QB's in Cutler's situation and with his lack of success who were rewarded with a contract that made them the highest paid player in the league.

Thanks!

 

[modo]

Might want to check out last season breh.



Again, check out Fitz' last two seasons.


Because they've earned it by their performance....which is better than Cutler's!





And that deal could end up looking as bad as the Cutler deal. Shocking news..bad contracts happen in pro sports..Look at Cutler's.


Real shocking. Tannehill signed a big contract coming off two straight years of improvement at 26 years old. Miami was betting the high side of improvement. Even with his step back last year he still threw for over 4,000 yards, started all 16 games and had a 2:1 TD:INT ratio.

Cutler signed his deal at 31 after getting out performed by Josh McCown and the following season was benched for Jimmy Clausen.

So yeah..look at Tannehill.

The Cutler contract is shit and is not the "going rate" for a 31 year old QB with zero playoff success and virtually zero regular season success.

McCown played half a season last year with a similar rating and stats....he is also 3 years older than Cutler....

He was bench by a head coach that was fired, for being completely inept.

You've also failed to mention a response to Osweiler and Bradford.....they are the going rate of QBs.....

 

[didshereallysaythat]

Please cite 31 year old QB's in Cutler's situation and with his lack of success who were rewarded with a contract that made them the highest paid player in the league.

Thanks!

Again, let's wait till their careers are over and compare total money earned.

 

[da_bears6]

Jay's contract was 3 years for 54million.

If he had turned the corner under Trestman/Emery he would have been stuck to the team for an additional 4 seasons at an affordable price. Unfortunately that didn't happen and this is the final season of that guaranteed 54 million. Anyone thinking the organization was going to cut Cutler before this season is being stupid.

 

[FirstTimer]

Again, let's wait till their careers are over and compare total money earned.

Please cite 31 year old QB's in Cutler's situation and with his lack of success who were rewarded with a contract that made them the highest paid player in the league.

Thanks!

 

[didshereallysaythat]

Please cite 31 year old QB's in Cutler's situation and with his lack of success who were rewarded with a contract that made them the highest paid player in the league.

Thanks!

There are none. I just addressed why that anomaly would exist. Now, let's compare total money earned when their careers are up.

 

[FirstTimer]

McCown played half a season last year with a similar rating and stats....he is also 3 years older than Cutler....

So...like I said. Cutler got out performed by McCown and McCown is making a boat load less.

He was bench by a head coach that was fired, for being completely inept.

I agree. Cutler was inept

You've also failed to mention a response to Osweiler and Bradford.....they are the going rate of QBs.....

I directly addressed Osweiler you dolt.

"And that deal could end up looking as bad as the Cutler deal. Shocking news..bad contracts happen in pro sports..Look at Cutler's."

 

[FirstTimer]

There are none.

So How is the "going rate" for an NFL QB applicable to Cutler when Cutler's contract, value, and situation was unprecedented?

 

[modo]

Might want to check out last season breh.



Again, check out Fitz' last two seasons.


Because they've earned it by their performance....which is better than Cutler's!





And that deal could end up looking as bad as the Cutler deal. Shocking news..bad contracts happen in pro sports..Look at Cutler's.


Real shocking. Tannehill signed a big contract coming off two straight years of improvement at 26 years old. Miami was betting the high side of improvement. Even with his step back last year he still threw for over 4,000 yards, started all 16 games and had a 2:1 TD:INT ratio.

Cutler signed his deal at 31 after getting out performed by Josh McCown and the following season was benched for Jimmy Clausen.

So yeah..look at Tannehill.

The Cutler contract is shit and is not the "going rate" for a 31 year old QB with zero playoff success and virtually zero regular season success.

Also if you are going to mention playoff and regular success as a measure....Stafford has less wins in the playoffs than Cutler......Carson Palmer has the same amount....Matt Ryan has the same amount...

Maybe Sanchez should get the same contract as Phillip Rivers...they have the same amount of playoff wins..

 

[didshereallysaythat]

So How is the "going rate" for an NFL QB applicable to Cutler when Cutler's contract, value, and situation was unprecedented?

Because teams are not looking at how much money other QBs are getting for the current year when they determine the value of a contract for their QB. You are not looking at the overall picture.

Now address my point about waiting until their careers are over and looking at total value earned.

 

[FirstTimer]

Also if you are going to mention playoff and regular success as a measure....Stafford has less wins in the playoffs than Cutler

Stafford also has two seasons statistically that are far better than anything Cutler has ever done.

......Carson Palmer has the same amount

Carson Palmer's career dwarf's Cutler's. He was just an MVP candidate.

Quit being dense.

I also mentioned "performance" ie stats...and regular season 'success' also includes statistical individual success.

Matt Ryan has had a vastly superior career to Cutler at this point.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

FirstTimer, you better tap Rory from the computer next to yours to come into this thread to try and save you.

 

[modo]

So...like I said. Cutler got out performed by McCown and McCown is making a boat load less.



I agree. Cutler was inept





I directly addressed Osweiler you dolt.

"And that deal could end up looking as bad as the Cutler deal. Shocking news..bad contracts happen in pro sports..Look at Cutler's."

lol no where in your original post did you mention Osweiler by name...

Also, you can't just chalk it up to "bad contract" when some of the most recent contracts are worth just as much per year for Cutler and several other QBs in that range.

That is called a trend and the whole point of this post. The going rate of quarterbacks.....

thanks for playing...better luck next time

 

[FirstTimer]

Because teams are not looking at how much money other QBs are getting for the current year when they determine the value of a contract for their QB. You are not looking at the overall picture.

Cutler's contract AT THE VERY TIME IT WAS SIGNED was unprecedented for a QB in his situation.

This isn't some "wait and see" deal that needs to happen. QB's were getting HUGE deals around the time Cutler signed his contract. All of them could either lean back on "young potentially good/great QB", "past or present statistical success", "playoff success", something.

None of them leaned on "got out performed by HS gym teacher two months ago", 31 years old"

You're treating this like the contract is only bad in retrospect because the Bears took a risk and a dice roll on a physically gifted 26 year old coming off a very good season and it blew up in their face.

That's not what happened. The Cutler contract at the time it was signed was idiotic and an overpay given the NFL landscape at the time. It looks even worse now.

If the going rate for QB's of Cutler's ilk was so accepted Ryan Fitzpatrick would have been signed on the first day of free agency.

 

[FirstTimer]

lol no where in your original post did you mention Osweiler by name...

I literally quoted your statement on Osweiler and DIRECTLY responded to it. Christ almighty. read the post.

Also, you can't just chalk it up to "bad contract" when some of the most recent contracts are worth just as much per year for Cutler and several other QBs in that range.

But can at least logically defend them.
"This isn't some "wait and see" deal that needs to happen. QB's were getting HUGE deals around the time Cutler signed his contract. All of them could either lean back on "young potentially good/great QB", "past or present statistical success", "playoff success", something.

None of them leaned on "got out performed by HS gym teacher two months ago", 31 years old""


Please cite 31 year old QB's in Cutler's situation and with his lack of success who were rewarded with a contract that made them the highest paid player in the league.

Thanks!

 

[didshereallysaythat]

Cutler's contract AT THE VERY TIME IT WAS SIGNED was unprecedented for a QB in his situation.

This isn't some "wait and see" deal that needs to happen. QB's were getting HUGE deals around the time Cutler signed his contract. All of them could either lean back on "young potentially good/great QB", "past or present statistical success", "playoff success", something.

None of them leaned on "got out performed by HS gym teacher two months ago", 31 years old"

You're treating this like the contract is only bad in retrospect because the Bears took a risk and a dice roll on a physically gifted 26 year old coming off a very good season and it blew up in their face.

That's not what happened. The Cutler contract at the time it was signed was idiotic and an overpay given the NFL landscape at the time. It looks even worse now.

If the going rate for QB's of Cutler's ilk was so accepted Ryan Fitzpatrick would have been signed on the first day of free agency.

What matters the most is TOTAL MONEY EARNED!!! Not what your going rate was at a variable point in time. Stop being a dolt.

 

[FirstTimer]

What matters the most is TOTAL MONEY EARNED!!! .

What QB in NFL history has earned as much money as Cutler and been so wildly unsuccessful?

 

[didshereallysaythat]

What QB in NFL history has earned as much money as Cutler and been so wildly unsuccessful?

There are plenty that have earned as much on a per year basis and have a worse winning percentage and or playoff success. Just look them up. You seem to be good at finding stats.

 

[FirstTimer]

There are plenty.

Please cite.

Defend your assertion.

All of them could either lean back on "young potentially good/great QB", "past or present statistical success", "playoff success", something.

None of them leaned on "got out performed by HS gym teacher two months ago", 31 years old""


Please cite 31 year old QB's in Cutler's situation and with his lack of success who were rewarded with a contract that made them the highest paid player in the league.

Thanks!