OT: Richard Sherman arrested and denied bail!

[Montucky]

Yeah, actually it is.

You're a single party guy. Or maybe charitably we could say you support controlled opposition. You are not really one who likes dissent or debate much. I don't call you a tankie because you are on the left, I call you a tankie because you're an authoritarian.

 

[Zion]

I also fail to see how a country which incarcerates more of it's population per capita than Russia, China, and Iran (second only to North Korea), has a militaristic police force with a major brutality problem, and incorporates a private prison system with a business incentive to incarcerate its citizens, is somehow the most free country just because we can also shoot each other.

Because we have individual rights enshrined in a constitution that, in theory, supersedes all other laws. We ARE becoming an increasingly authoritarian state and the problems you mention are symptoms of that. Btw, nobody really knows how many people N.Korea keeps in concentration camps or how many they put into mass graves. This is the most repressed and controlled society on Earth, there isn't accurate widely available data on how many people they oppress

They straight up starve millions of their people to death and call it patriotism

 

[bearmick]

You're a single party guy.

This whole thing you do where you assume you can read everyone's mind and know what they really think better than they do. You should give it up. It isn't working for you.

 

[run and shoot]

I wonder if the WWE noticed his issues and just didn't get help. If you look up the shitshow that was The Renegade in WCW, it's sad that it is all too common in sports

IMO.....They all know. It's about making $$$. When they're done with ya, they throw ya away. They don't offer help from what I've seen, I mean, I haven't seed any specific programs to address this. But they do know the symptoms from continuous head trauma.

 

[Montucky]

This whole thing you do where you assume you can read everyone's mind and know what they really think better than they do. You should give it up. It isn't working for you.

How ideologically flexible are you really? Because I've read enough of your posts to know you are not at all. Which is cool on one hand because at least you're principled, but also its not a great way to govern. Luckily you don't govern.

 

[bearmick]

Because we have individual rights enshrined in a constitution that, in theory, supersedes all other laws.

And in practice mean fuck all, because the police can and do stomp all over your rights when they see fit.

In practice, citizens of social democracies tend to live longer, are happier, are murdered less, and are incarcerated less than the citizens of the most free country in the world "in theory" LOL.

 

[bearmick]

How ideologically flexible are you really? Because I've read enough of your posts to know you are not at all. Which is cool on one hand because at least you're principled, but also its not a great way to govern. Luckily you don't govern.

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

 

[remydat]

Yes, Russia was nascent capitalist in the 19th century after the Tsars passed reforms but before the communist revolution. They were some unique mix of feudalism and nascent capitalism.

China had a weak republican government after overthrowing the Qing dynasty but before the Maoists came to power. They were capitalists. But both these countries were so underdeveloped and so influenced by centuries of autocratic monarchical rule that western style governments and capitalist system of economics never got a chance to take root.

Yes that is a long way of saying not really.

Based on your understanding of Marx, were they real candidates for socialism/communism?

Put another way, if you were doing a scientific experiemnt on the efficacy of socialism/communism, would either of those countries meet the parameters for you to want to use them in your experiment?

I would reject them off hand and ask then to come back in a couple hundred years when they were a fully developed capitalist nation if I were really trying to stick to Marx. The problem is humans are impatient and seek instant gratification.

 

[Montucky]

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

This is bearmickese for "OK yeah you're right"

 

[bearmick]

This is bearmickese for "OK yeah you're right"

No, it means "you're full of shit but I'm not particularly interested in wasting my time by arguing against things that exist only in your mind". Hope this helps.

 

[Zion]

And in practice mean fuck all, because the police can and do stomp all over your rights when they see fit.

In practice, citizens of social democracies tend to live longer, are happier, and murdered less, and are incarcerated less than the citizens of the most free country in the world "in theory" LOL.

You should agree with me then, and any libertarian, who say we are an authoritarian police state and need to scale back the power and control of government. Instead this idea is less popular than the idea of socialism, which seeks to further expand the control and power of government.

The constitution and the rights enshrined therein are the ultimate check on the overreach of government, but these days it's more popular to figure out ways to water those rights down, under the guise of safety or social justice or whatever other justification they can use to expand their control over you.

 

[Leon Sandcastle]

And in practice mean fuck all, because the police can and do stomp all over your rights when they see fit.

This is a product of the laws put in place by the law makers. I would say the extremely vast majority of police are good people just doing their job so they can raise their families.
Some overstep their bounds for sure. I got one of my many ass kickings from a cop. I was pissed but then i realized i probably shouldnt have been an asshole to him. Had i just been decent to him he most likely wouldnt have beat my ass.

 

[Montucky]

British and Irish police are pushovers but elsewhere in Europe if you fuck around you will find out. Particularly with the Germans and the Scandinavians. I've seen some pretty brutal arrests made by the polizei, they are not nearly as constrained as American cops. The big difference is their violent crime problem is basically non-existent compared to America's, so they don't have to act like that very often.

 

[bearmick]

You should agree with me then, and any libertarian, who say we are an authoritarian police state and need to scale back the power and control of government. Instead this idea is less popular than the idea of socialism, which seeks to further expand the control and power of government.

Health care is a big thing for me. I know for a fact that universal health care reduces poverty, crime, and depression, as well as increasing life expectancy and decreasing infant mortality. Countries whose citizens know that their health care is taken care of without having to worry about going bankrupt or having to sell their home to pay for medical bills tend to be happier.

Now when it comes to the criminal justice system, I do agree with you that we need to be less authoritarian.

 

[bearmick]

British and Irish police are pushovers but elsewhere in Europe if you fuck around you will find out. Particularly with the Germans and the Scandinavians. I've seen some pretty brutal arrests made by the polizei, they are not nearly as constrained as American cops. The big difference is their violent crime problem is basically non-existent compared to America's, so they don't have to act like that very often.

How the fuck would you know? You've never been anywhere you bullshitting plonker.

 

[bearmick]

This is a product of the laws put in place by the law makers. I would say the extremely vast majority of police are good people just doing their job so they can raise their families.
Some overstep their bounds for sure. I got one of my many ass kickings from a cop. I was pissed but then i realized i probably shouldnt have been an asshole to him. Had i just been decent to him he most likely wouldnt have beat my ass.

But unfortunately they tend to turn a blind eye to the ones who aren't.

Also, it's not a police officer's job to "beat the shit out of you" for being rude. That's assault.

 

[Leon Sandcastle]

But unfortunately they tend to turn a blind eye to the ones who aren't.

Also, it's not a police officer's job to "beat the shit out of you" for being rude. That's assault.

Yes im sure they do turn a blind eye at times. Theres bad people in all groups. They probably have more facts about the situations than what the media puts out in a lot of cases though.
I never said it was his job. But it did teach me a valuable lesson. Only expect the respect you give. Looking back i would have beat my ass too. No harm in being put in my place.

 

[remydat]

British and Irish police are pushovers but elsewhere in Europe if you fuck around you will find out. Particularly with the Germans and the Scandinavians. I've seen some pretty brutal arrests made by the polizei, they are not nearly as constrained as American cops. The big difference is their violent crime problem is basically non-existent compared to America's, so they don't have to act like that very often.

Sure if you are violent but the difference is they dont escalate to violence as quickly as cops here. They appear to be better trained to actually listen and explain things to the populace before going all Rambo on people.

A lot of cops here freak out or get aggressive at any attempt to questiom them during an interaction. I find European cops to be far more cordial unless you actually get violent with them.

 

[Montucky]

Sure if you are violent but the difference is they dont escalate to violence as quickly as cops here. They appear to be better trained to actually listen and explain things to the populace before going all Rambo on people.

Nah they definitely do. I was on the U-Bahn in Berlin and I saw a vagrant who was high off his tits and disruptive-yet-not-violent get his head slammed against the ground then dragged off the train by two very large cops. No altercation, no asking him to leave...they just fucked him up and pulled him onto the platform. Don't know what happened to him after that.

 

[Leon Sandcastle]

Sure if you are violent but the difference is they dont escalate to violence as quickly as cops here. They appear to be better trained to actually listen and explain things to the populace before going all Rambo on people.

What percent of arresting officers do you think go "all Rambo" during an arrest? Ill guess its probably less than .01 %
And of those '01% id bet that over 75% of those are warranted.
I dont know these stats. Im literally just guessing.