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remydat

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Nah they definitely do. I was on the U-Bahn in Berlin and I saw a vagrant who was high off his tits and disruptive-yet-not-violent get his head slammed against the ground then dragged off the train by two very large cops. No altercation, no asking him to leave...they just fucked him up and pulled him onto the platform. Don't know what happened to him after that.

I have been stopped by cops in Germany and found them to be polite. So yeah anecdotes are not particularly informative

Germany has generally been a bit tougher on rooting out bad cops and better at training.


 

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If the police were as inaccurate and as weak willed as Trubisky, we wouldn't be having this conversation
Thumbs up for getting Trubisky into a conversation about authoritarianism and police brutality. Well done.
 

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What percent of arresting officers do you think go "all Rambo" during an arrest? Ill guess its probably less than .01 %
And of those '01% id bet that over 75% of those are warranted.
I dont know these stats. Im literally just guessing.

No idea but I suspect it is low. It certainly wasnt warranted in my case where I had a gun pulled on me because I was "living black in a white neighborhood."
 

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I have been stopped by cops in Germany and found them to be polite. So yeah anecdotes are not particularly informative

Germany has generally been a bit tougher on rooting out bad cops and better at training.


Well yeah I've been stopped by cops in America and found them to be polite. Same goes for cops from Johannesburg Metro, Albania, Singapore...I've never had a problem with any police in any part of the world. I'm just telling you that if you act out in these places (well not Jozi since they just don't give a fuck) that retribution from law enforcement is swift and violent. Way more so than America.
 

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The Stephen A is for the expression, I despise the guy. I’m not sure about his experiences but like his facts about being killed by another black guy he himself will be harassed more because he is black with a weapon.

Not trying to offend you but like I said above I’ve heard all of this before (especially on this site) so I’m immediately skeptical. I honestly suggest you don’t let it bother you too much especially if you’re being honest
Why do you despise Stephen A?
 

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No idea but I suspect it is low. It certainly wasnt warranted in my case where I had a gun pulled on me because I was "living black in a white neighborhood."
I dont doubt it. It wasnt warranted when i was robbed at gunpoint for a half a pack of cigs and 37 dollars by a black guy. Doesnt make all black guys bad. Beaten by a cop but doesnt make all cops bad. Attacked by a Mexican guy with a knife and beaten with a tire iron by three other Mexicans. But not all Mexicans are bad. The only exception was being attacked by a white crackhead with a knife. All crackheads are bad.
 

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No idea but I suspect it is low. It certainly wasnt warranted in my case where I had a gun pulled on me because I was "living black in a white neighborhood."
Ive also had guns drawn on me by the police. A few times. And im white. Although it never bothered me, i knew i was kinda a punk back then.
Happened again a few years ago up in the mountains of Idaho. Right in front of my daughter.
That was because i slapped the piss out of 2 guys who came into my camp trying to take a chainsaw from my buddy. Turns out it was actually their chainsaw and i was WAY out of line,
 

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I don't know what people think democratic-socialism means, but it simply means socialism that you vote for, as opposed to socialism that comes to power via a revolution. It is a subset of socialism, i.e., they oppose capitalism and want to create a society where private enterprise is forbidden and the means of production are owned collectively, typically through a centralized government.

What people refer to as democratic-socialism in places like Scandinavia or France is what is known as social-democracy, it is not socialism. It's a way to make some socialistic policies palatable with a capitalistic/free market system of economics. Real socialists would never try to do this, real socialism is inherently opposed to any form of capitalism.

So democratic-socialism, as the term is used in America, is a misnomer. They are really social-democrats, not democratic-
socialists.

These distinctions and more are discussed in the the video posted below

This is correct. George Orwell was a democratic socialist, but he was obviously very much against the Soviet Union and authoritarian socialism.

You're also right about the definition of social-democrats. Now, what are the issues that you have with a social democracy? A social democracy is still a Capitalist economy.
 

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I dont doubt it. It wasnt warranted when i was robbed at gunpoint for a half a pack of cigs and 37 dollars by a black guy. Doesnt make all black guys bad. Beaten by a cop but doesnt make all cops bad. Attacked by a Mexican guy with a knife and beaten with a tire iron by three other Mexicans. But not all Mexicans are bad. The only exception was being attacked by a white crackhead with a knife. All crackheads are bad.
At any point during this post did you consider the fact that you're using the same standards to judge police and street criminals? Shortly after explaining that an extra-judicial beating you received from police was probably a good thing.

And we wonder why we have a policing problem.
 

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At any point during this post did you consider the fact that you're using the same standards to judge police and street criminals? Shortly after explaining that an extra-judicial beating you received from police was probably a good thing.

And we wonder why we have a policing problem.
Just pointing out that people are people. There are good and bad regardless of profession.
Cops obviously should be better than that. But they are people, they have tempers, it shouldnt happen but it does.
 

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Thumbs up for getting Trubisky into a conversation about authoritarianism and police brutality. Well done.

Just got tired of reading the usual poor generalizations of some posters on here.
 

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British and Irish police are pushovers but elsewhere in Europe if you fuck around you will find out. Particularly with the Germans and the Scandinavians. I've seen some pretty brutal arrests made by the polizei, they are not nearly as constrained as American cops. The big difference is their violent crime problem is basically non-existent compared to America's, so they don't have to act like that very often.
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No, it means "you're full of shit but I'm not particularly interested in wasting my time by arguing against things that exist only in your mind". Hope this helps.
I've known you through like a decade of posts but somehow since Montucky arrived under a year ago I feel like I've been dead wrong about you this entire time. It's been a gut punch.
 

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Really? Do you mind sharing what these interactions were like?

I see him as a bit of a dope but he is funny/entertaining.
Sure. As you might know I work for delta and they have private Porsches that take obviously celebs and 360 members to their flights to avoid public eye. My first time working in that department I met multiple celebs, The Rock, Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry (yes she is fine af @remydat ) and others but Stephen A was my last assignment. He is going to LA and his car is prepared for him. I get out the car to greet him and before I can even utter a word, he says “ Just take me to my fucking flight, I don’t want to speak to you”. Lol so that’s what I did. Maybe despise is too strong of a word and maybe the guy just hates flying but yeah isn’t the nicest
 

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I've known you through like a decade of posts but somehow since Montucky arrived under a year ago I feel like I've been dead wrong about you this entire time. It's been a gut punch.
I think @Montucky should give a synopsis of each regular poster we interact with, so that we might know each other (in a non-Biblical, non-troonery sense, of course).
 
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