OT: Top 100 NBA players

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I don't even care about what was said. I just wanna know how in the hell you guys got on the topic of comparing David West and Scola to Eric Gordon. :shrug:

My guess is it all devolved after somebody (who shall remain nameless) said that Hakeem Olajuwon stole Scottie Pippen's MVP and DPOY award in 1994.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

That Duncan/Love argument gets lamer by the month. You even stated that Duncan was superior head to head against Love, and I pointed out that Love was averaging over 20 pts and 19rebs a game against the Spurs!

You said Griffin was better than Dirk LAST season, when Dirk was putting up MVP numbers. We are not talking about this season.

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/...3-all-star-reserves-obtained-no-boozer-3.html

Its there in the second entry, when I call your list basketball Special person.

It was stupid of me to say that "Duncan is a LOT better than Love" last season. That was probably hyperbole on my part. Both had very good seasons last year and either had a solid case over the other. I wanted to give Duncan the benefit of the doubt because he was putting up very efficient numbers of his own on a much better team.

As for Dirk Nowitzki, I've always defended him to people who said he was a choke artist and soft. I probably saw at least two games where he hit game-winning shots just last season alone (one very vividly at Milwaukee). Blake Griffin was always a better rebounder (by far) than Dirk but that was presumptuous of me to say that he and Pau Gasol were already passed by Blake Griffin. You were right about that. But I'm still confident that day is coming where Griffin will be better than either of them ever were.

 

[FirstTimer]

Cop-out.



.

It's not a cop out.

You saying Lebron putting on muscle and slowing him down was not "speculative". You repeatedly stated it as fact. Quit lying you fucking moron.

This is true and if you look at some Cavs' games back in 2007 and 2008 and prior, you can clearly see the difference. It is common sense that when you add pounds of muscle it naturally slows you down

Just own your stupidty and move past it rather than trying to back track and revise what you have (repeatedly) said by labeling it "speculative"

The fact you are still beating this Marbury/Oscar Robertson comparison drum is absurdly Special person as well. Please compare who Oscar Robertson played with pre Kareem with who Marbury had around him in Minnesota, Phoenix, and New York, and try to keep a straight face in telling me the talent that had around them (relative to the time they played) was anywhere near equal.

Just stop.

 

[FirstTimer]

seriously...you(rami) have said worse than d wade not being in the top 4

Very true.

While Wade is in the top 5 for sure. Likely the Top 4 of the NBA right now IMO.

Rami has said far dumber.

Don't forget his assertion that he wasn't realyl sure Oscar Robertson was better than Clyde Drexler.

 

[FirstTimer]

Here are some other gems:

Andrei Kirilenko is definitely a more versatile player than LeBron James in terms of the spots he can fill on the floor both offensively and defensively. There is no denying that.

And the fact that pla
yers like Diaw and Kirilenko do a wider array of things for their respective teams than LeBron does.

He(Noah) has all of the length and athleticism of a dominant scoring big man.

Bob Cousy is not a top 10 point guard of all-time either. Hell, he isn't even top 20.

Your claim that Oscar Robertson is a hand-down top 5 player is mistaken. Top 10-15 maybe.

LeBron James may not even be as good of a player as he was 2 years ago. All of that extra muscle mass he has put on has hindered his penetrating ability and his quickness.

And, yes, adding weight with muscle does make you somewhat slower as long as you were not substituting that muscle with fat

LeBron added a lot of muscle mass in his upper body and that does slow you down when fat is not a factor at all (because there was not much fat on his body to begin with). That is the truth.

James also doesn't have the pure speed that he had before putting on all of that muscle mass

LOL at you tryng to say those were "speculative" statements.

Do you even know what "speculative" means?

Purely at defending the SF and SG positions, Deng and James are on the same level defensively.

James and Deng are at the same level when it comes to defending the wing positions.

If you don't know that, you don't know those players.

Deng is arguably a better man-to-man defender than James.
If you don't believe that, maybe you should watch some games

Both Marbury and Oscar were all-star players. It is fair to compare two players at the same position offensively

That's why I consider Derrick Rose to be a better point guard (offensively) than LeBron James

As a PG, you need a player who can get into the lane and create for others. Derrick Rose is better at doing that than LeBron James. There is no denying that.

Just wear the stupidity you've posted Rami and move past it.

 

[JosMin]

Don't forget his assertion that he wasn't realyl sure Oscar Robertson was better than Clyde Drexler.

Did somebody actually say this at some point in the history of time. Like, even in a joking manner?

 

[FirstTimer]

Did somebody actually say this at some point in the history of time. Like, even in a joking manner?

Rami said it.

I haven't seen enough of Robertson to really judge whether he was better than a guy like Wade, Stockton, Payton, Thomas, or Drexler.

See above.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Andrei Kirilenko is definitely a more versatile player than LeBron James in terms of the spots he can fill on the floor both offensively and defensively. There is no denying that.

Offensive part was stupid.

And the fact that players like Diaw and Kirilenko do a wider array of things for their respective teams than LeBron does.

This was true before James went to Miami.

He(Noah) has all of the length and athleticism of a dominant scoring big man.

This is true.

Bob Cousy is not a top 10 point guard of all-time either. Hell, he isn't even top 20.

This is true.

Your claim that Oscar Robertson is a hand-down top 5 player is mistaken. Top 10-15 maybe.

This is true.

LeBron James may not even be as good of a player as he was 2 years ago. All of that extra muscle mass he has put on has hindered his penetrating ability and his quickness.

Overly speculative of me. Shouldn't have jumped to that conclusion.

And, yes, adding weight with muscle does make you somewhat slower as long as you were not substituting that muscle with fat

That is possible.

LeBron added a lot of muscle mass in his upper body and that does slow you down when fat is not a factor at all (because there was not much fat on his body to begin with). That is the truth.

Overly speculative.

James also doesn't have the pure speed that he had before putting on all of that muscle mass

He has lost speed but I don't think that has much-to-anything to do with the muscle he's added anymore.

Purely at defending the SF and SG positions, Deng and James are on the same level defensively.

This is true.

James and Deng are at the same level when it comes to defending the wing positions.

This is the exact same statement in different wording as above. And still true.

Deng is arguably a better man-to-man defender than James.
If you don't believe that, maybe you should watch some games

This is true.

Both Marbury and Oscar were all-star players. It is fair to compare two players at the same position offensively

This is true and nothing absurd claimed there.

That's why I consider Derrick Rose to be a better point guard (offensively) than LeBron James

This is true.

As a PG, you need a player who can get into the lane and create for others. Derrick Rose is better at doing that than LeBron James. There is no denying that.

Also true.

 

[FirstTimer]

Offensive part was stupid.



This was true before James went to Miami.




This is true.



This is true.



This is true.



Overly speculative of me. Shouldn't have jumped to that conclusion.



That is possible.



Overly speculative.



He has lost speed but I don't think that has much-to-anything to do with the muscle he's added anymore.



This is true.



This is the exact same statement in different wording as above. And still true.



This is true.



This is true and nothing absurd claimed there.



This is true.



Also true.

Good to see you're still an idiot. This board would be better off without your asinine basketball ramblings.

I love the irony:

Rami: Post stupid things I've said(as if he doesn't)!

Me: *Posts a host of stupid things*

Rami: Goes on defending the idiocy.

at you x 1 million.


LOL at you STILL defending the James stuff as being "speculative" on your part when you call it "common sense" muscle mass slows you down. That's not a speculative statement you moron.

Everything you were quoted as saying above is 1000% wrong.

But keep acting as though you have any clue about the sport.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Good to see you're still an idiot. This board would be better off without your asinine basketball ramblings.

I love the irony:

Rami: Post stupid things I've said(as if he doesn't)!

Me: *Posts a host of stupid things*

Rami: Goes on defending the idiocy.

at you x 1 million.


LOL at you STILL defending the James stuff as being "speculative" on your part when you call it "common sense" muscle mass slows you down. That's not a speculative statement you moron.

Everything you were quoted as saying above is 1000% wrong.

But keep acting as though you have any clue about the sport.

90% of what I've been accused of being wrong about has not been quantified and therefore there's not much point of taking it seriously whatsoever. AK47 more versatile on offense thing was wrong and I admit it. The muscle mass stuff also was mistaken (not even a basketball-related point).

 

[FirstTimer]

100% of what I've been accused of being wrong about has been quantified

Fixed.

Thanks.

Everything I was shown to have posted was wrong and I admit it.

Thanks for finally coming around.

Glad we can move forward.


Can't wait for your next idiotic statement.

My thread at VSD needs moar posts.

:slap:

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

The fact you are still beating this Marbury/Oscar Robertson comparison drum is absurdly Special person as well. Please compare who Oscar Robertson played with pre Kareem with who Marbury had around him in Minnesota, Phoenix, and New York, and try to keep a straight face in telling me the talent that had around them (relative to the time they played) was anywhere near equal.

Just stop.

Marbury had decent help in Minnesota because of KG but KG was nowhere near what he was about 5 years later and still a teenager in MN. Who else did that team have - basically nobody.

Marbury had talent in Phoenix with Shawn Marion and also had Amare Stoudemire (very young and raw) but nothing that was going to contend for a title.

Marbury having better help as a Knick is an absolute joke. That team had raw offensive talent, terrible defensive players, and were incredibly selfish.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Very true.

While Wade is in the top 5 for sure. Likely the Top 4 of the NBA right now IMO.

Rami has said far dumber.

Don't forget his assertion that he wasn't realyl sure Oscar Robertson was better than Clyde Drexler.

right...i think that too..

btw rami, i havent been implying i disagree with you

but its a little ridiculous to call others ridiculous for disagreeing with wade being in the top 4

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

right...i think that too..

btw rami, i havent been implying i disagree with you

but its a little ridiculous to call others ridiculous for disagreeing with wade being in the top 4

Thechosenone made a claim that Derrick Rose was better than Dwyane Wade and I find that most ridiculous. Putting Wade out of the top 5 clearly stems from butthurtness over the man not coming to Chicago.

 

[Uman85]

Thechosenone made a claim that Derrick Rose was better than Dwyane Wade and I find that most ridiculous. Putting Wade out of the top 5 clearly stems from butthurtness over the man not coming to Chicago.

Yes. Clearly anyone who has an opinion differing from yours is butthurt or ridiculous.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Yes. Clearly anyone who has an opinion differing from yours is butthurt or ridiculous.

How is Derrick Rose better than Dwyane Wade overall?

 

[thechosenone]

Thechosenone made a claim that Derrick Rose was better than Dwyane Wade and I find that most ridiculous. Putting Wade out of the top 5 clearly stems from butthurtness over the man not coming to Chicago.

Drose is the #1 in his team.DWade is barely needed in his team.You have probably stuck in 2006's Wade.
Heat top Sixers to go 6-0 without Wade - Arab News

Bulls-Heat

DRose 34pts,6rbs,6ast,1stl,2 to
DWade 15pts,4rbs,7ast,1stl,4 to

Bad matchap huh?

 

[nwfisch]

Thechosenone made a claim that Derrick Rose was better than Dwyane Wade and I find that most ridiculous. Putting Wade out of the top 5 clearly stems from butthurtness over the man not coming to Chicago.

I just think we forgot how good Wade is. The Bulls have shut him down the last couple of years, and he's taken a secondary role to Lebron in Miami.

 

[thechosenone]

No.DWade is pretty good.He is a top10 player in the NBA.No shit.But DRose is better.

Once again like for Paul..You can say that DWade is better here and there and it would be true but overall?No no no..

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Drose is the #1 in his team.DWade is barely needed in his team.You have probably stuck in 2006's Wade.
Heat top Sixers to go 6-0 without Wade - Arab News

Bulls-Heat

DRose 34pts,6rbs,6ast,1stl,2 to
DWade 15pts,4rbs,7ast,1stl,4 to

Bad matchap huh?

One head-to-head game is enough to say Rose>Wade.

Let's just forget what the statistics and the playoffs over the course of history has shown us.

Heat minus Wade still have James, Bosh, and Battier. The Bulls went what? 7-3 without Rose? That is a pretty good record, as well.

Wade is BY FAR the better defensive player and has made clutch shots his entire career. Rose has a better initial crossover move. He might be a slightly better three-point shooter. He's a better passer (kind of).

Wade's better and easily.