OT: Top 15 Players of All Time

[Rice Cube]

If I'm not mistaken, they changed the defensive rules because of Bill Russell.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I think the argument re: Wilt kind of took a turn where now you're arguing who the best teammate was, not the best player. I don't think they're necessarily the same thing.

although the original argument had to do with russell winning alot more rings than wilt..which would obviously lead to the discussion of who was on wilt's team and who was on russell's team during that time...and who had the advantage?

the 60s and early mid 70s is such an odd era though...rebounding was ridiculously inflated....the game was still evolving

its really hard to relatively pinpoint where russell and wilt would be on an all time list...i think they're both top 10 though no question about that

 

[Rice Cube]

although the original argument had to do with russell winning alot more rings than wilt..which would obviously lead to the discussion of who was on wilt's team and who was on russell's team during that time...and who had the advantage?

the 60s and early mid 70s is such an odd era though...rebounding was ridiculously inflated....the game was still evolving

its really hard to relatively pinpoint where russell and wilt would be on an all time list...i think they're both top 10 though no question about that

I think you can really only compare players relative to their peers and not so much across eras because of rule changes and differences in athlete conditioning and strategy. Still a good discussion topic though

 

[Lex L.]

I think you can really only compare players relative to their peers and not so much across eras because of rule changes and differences in athlete conditioning and strategy. Still a good discussion topic though

So, now that you've helped ruin the Cubs forum, you have to come over here? Nice.

 

[FirstTimer]

I think you can really only compare players relative to their peers and not so much across eras because of rule changes and differences in athlete conditioning and strategy. Still a good discussion topic though

Agreed. Much like the NFL(outside of maybe the RB position) the games have changed so much it's difficult to compare across era's.

If you dropped Hakeem in against Wilt he'd smoke him. Hakeem's footwork and play would have jacked Wilt pretty badly comapred to the stuff basketball he played against.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Yeah, no need to come over here. Rami already ruined this forum.

I've been here since the beginning of this forum. When are you even on here? 98% of my posts are basketball-related. The only time you come on here is to ride on your buddy FirstTroller.

 

[Lex L.]

Can you please limit your Special person postings to one thread or one forum? I feel like Serbia trying to fight a three-front war. Sheesh.

He's not very good at arguing because he's now playing defense. He was wrong about the point he made about not being conducive to team success. But he was right about the main issue, which is statistics and he should have refocused the discussion on that. Much of the argument for Robertson is stat based. And in this regard, Rami is on point. It was much easier to get numbers back in the 60s and 70s. It was far less competitive.

Also, you were wrong in your assessment of Robertson. He wasn't really that athletic.

 

[Lex L.]

No, you're wrong. Rami was ignoring Robertson's stats by saying that innovation alone doesn't make you a top 10 ballplayer. I don't know why YOU are even bothering to chime in, because 1) you cannot even comprehend the arguments that are being presented to you, and 2) you are wrong.

I can comprehend them enough to know that both of you have been wrong. The stats merely suggest that he was a well rounded player. But the triple double for a year thing and his actual numbers are clearly inflated (relatively speaking) in importance when you consider the era he played in. And to argue otherwise is stupid. Rami was correct in pointing out that the league became much more competitive.

You are wrong in your assessment of Robertson. He was really that athletic.

Guess again.

 

[Lex L.]

LOL at "merely suggest". Babe Ruth's HR total also merely suggests he had some pop in his bat.

Its kind of funny how you can focus on one aspect of Robertson's game (triple double for a year), use it as a NEGATIVE when speaking about Robertson, and then conclude that, although NO ONE BEFORE OR SINCE has averaged a triple-double for a season, Robertson's numbers a inflated because "everybody was averaging triple-doubles for a season back then".

I honestly don't get it.

Well, with a cute old school screen name like Rory Sparrow, it's fairly obvious why you've become some emotionally jilted woman about all this "negative" Oscar Robertson talk.

All I can tell you is: too bad. Deal with it.

 

[JosMin]

15. Bob Pettit
14. Moses Malone
13. Elgin Baylor
12. Shaquille O' Neal
11. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Kobe Bryant
9. Oscar Robertson
8. Tim Duncan
7. Jerry West
6. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Larry Bird
4. Magic Johnson
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabar
2. Bill Russell
1. Michael Jordan

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

15. Bob Pettit
14. Moses Malone
13. Elgin Baylor
12. Shaquille O' Neal
11. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Kobe Bryant
9. Oscar Robertson
8. Tim Duncan
7. Jerry West
6. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Larry Bird
4. Magic Johnson
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabar
2. Bill Russell
1. Michael Jordan

not a bad list..i think you have hakeem a little low..jmo

 

[FirstTimer]

not a bad list..i think you have hakeem a little low..jmo

Moses and Hakeem are too low. As is Oscar. Russell is too high.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Also, you were wrong in your assessment of Robertson. He wasn't really that athletic.

I specifically came here to herp derp this post.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I specifically came here to herp derp this post.

i like this guy

 

[RosettaStoned]

i like this guy

Well, prepare your angus.

 

[JosMin]

Russell is too high.

Russell was unquestionably the greatest defensive player of all-time and the ultimate teammate. He cared about one thing -- winning. 11 NBA Titles, 5 MVPs. He absolutely destroyed Wilt Chamberlain for his entire career on both ends of the floor, to the point that Wilt quit in the '69 NBA Finals (even though Wilt says it was because of his knees, all of his teammates felt that he just knew he didn't have a shot).

If you've never read Bill Simmons' "Book of Basketball," I'd definitely suggesting reading his excerpt on the Russell/Chamberlain rivalry. It's a fantastic read.

 

[FirstTimer]

He absolutely destroyed Wilt Chamberlain for his entire career on both ends of the floor,

Incorrect.

Wilt averaged 28ppg and 28rpg against Russell.

Citing Bill Simmons as a reason to pick Russell over Wilt is laughable.

 

[FirstTimer]

In other breaking news Bill Simmons thinks Bird>Magic.

 

[RosettaStoned]

In other breaking news Bill Simmons thinks Bird>Magic.

 

[Rice Cube]

In other breaking news Bill Simmons thinks Bird>Magic.

Maybe at trash-talking :lol: Bird was pretty awesome though.