OT: Top 15 Players of All Time

[FirstTimer]

Wilt's 55 rebound game?

Against Russell.

 

[Chi-Town Brahma]

Russell was unquestionably the greatest defensive player of all-time and the ultimate teammate. He cared about one thing -- winning. 11 NBA Titles, 5 MVPs. He absolutely destroyed Wilt Chamberlain for his entire career on both ends of the floor, to the point that Wilt quit in the '69 NBA Finals (even though Wilt says it was because of his knees, all of his teammates felt that he just knew he didn't have a shot).

I agree the Russell is Top 5, more-so #3 behind Wilt (#2) & Jordan (#1).
:smoke:

Here is more Russell stats & info if you would wanna read.
NBA Players: Bill Russell Profile

 

[RosettaStoned]

How is Jason Williams (the white one) not on everybody's list?

 

[BNB]

I agree the Russell is Top 5, more-so #3 behind Wilt (#2) & Jordan (#1).
:smoke:

Here is more Russell stats & info if you would wanna read.
NBA Players: Bill Russell Profile

i like how that site doesn't show Russell's terrible FG% [for a big man]

 

[Chi-Town Brahma]

i like how that site doesn't show Russell's terrible FG% [for a big man]

:lol: yeah, true. That site isn't bad at all in general. I read up on old players/teams there every now & then.

 

[JosMin]

Actually, Bill Simmons ranked Magic ahead of Bird in his book.

Also, I wasn't talking purely statistics that Russell was ahead of Wilt. I mean, 11 rings to 2 rings. 5 MVPs to 4MVPs, you do the math. It's why Wilt only one a single NBA title during the time Russell was in the NBA (his second ring came in '72 well after Russell was gone). Go look at tape of them going 1 on 1. It wasn't even a contest. Russell had Wilt's number, that's the bottom line. Time and time again, Wilt was trounced from the playoffs by Russell.

 

[JosMin]

Incorrect.

Wilt averaged 28ppg and 28rpg against Russell.

Citing Bill Simmons as a reason to pick Russell over Wilt is laughable.

Again, stats don't tell the whole story. I keep forgetting... who won more head-to-head matchups? Who's got 11 rings? Oh yeah, that's right. Bill Russell does. Wilt has two rings, four MVPs and dozens of STDs and illegitimate children. It's not even a debate in my eyes.

 

[FirstTimer]

Actually, Bill Simmons ranked Magic ahead of Bird in his book.

Missed the point.

Also, I wasn't talking purely statistics that Russell was ahead of Wilt. I mean, 11 rings to 2 rings. 5 MVPs to 4MVPs

Yawn.

Russell played on better teams. We get it.

Go look at tape of them going 1 on 1. It wasn't even a contest. Russell had Wilt's number, that's the bottom line.

The bottom line is you are wrong.

Wilt Chamberlain averaged 28 points per game and 28 rebounds per game in his career against Russell. That's not "Russell having his number".

Wilt Chamberlain had 55 rebounds in a game...against Russell. Go watch that tape

You're flat out wrong on basically everything.

 

[Rice Cube]

Actually, Bill Simmons ranked Magic ahead of Bird in his book.

Also, I wasn't talking purely statistics that Russell was ahead of Wilt. I mean, 11 rings to 2 rings. 5 MVPs to 4MVPs, you do the math. It's why Wilt only one a single NBA title during the time Russell was in the NBA (his second ring came in '72 well after Russell was gone). Go look at tape of them going 1 on 1. It wasn't even a contest. Russell had Wilt's number, that's the bottom line. Time and time again, Wilt was trounced from the playoffs by Russell.

Is it on Youtube? Just curious.

 

[FirstTimer]

Is it on Youtube? Just curious.

Odd. I see Wilt clowning Russell a lot here

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgIGF4xZCfA]Wilt Chamberlain averaged 45 points and 23 rebounds per game in 1963 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Rice Cube]

Odd. I see Wilt clowning Russell a lot here

Wilt Chamberlain averaged 45 points and 23 rebounds per game in 1963 - YouTube

If you find one or two of Bill Russell turning the tables, you get a cookie.

 

[FirstTimer]

If you find one or two of Bill Russell turning the tables, you get a cookie.

Youtube

I'm fine with Russell being ranked highly but revising history and saying Russel "dominated Chamberlain" on both ends of the floor and to "look at the tape" is hilariously bad. The stats nor the tape back that up.

 

[JosMin]

Some stupid bull shit.

Dude... the misconception that Russell was always on better teams is just a flawed argument. His years with the Lakers he was paired with Elgin Baylor and Jerry West and he STILL only won a single ring. That's pathetic. Now, I'm not saying that Russell wasn't paired with other HoF players. Russell had Cousy, Pettit, Sam Jones, KC Jones, Havlicek, etc. You're the one who's missing my argument.

Stats only tell you so much. You can keep trolling with ridiculous assertions about Wilt's stats and how he murdered Russell statistically and that's fine. Because when it comes down to it, all fans care about is winning. Wilt didn't win as much as Russell, period. 11 to 2. It's the magic number. I associate Russell with winning, I associate Wilt with a 100-point game, bloated stats against inferior competition and him completely wilting (no pun intended) in the playoffs year in and year out.

Using football as an example, Dan Marino always trounced Joe Montana with stats, but Montana had four rings. Marino? Zero. Who do we remember as the greater leader, the greater quarterback, the greater football player? Joe Montana. In my opinion, Dan Marino isn't even in the top five for quarterbacks. ****, he's barely in the top 10.

For me, it's the same principal applies to the Russell/Wilt argument. If you disagree, that's fine. Bill Russell was the ultimate teammate, the ultimate defensive player and he was the second greatest basketball player of all-time behind Michael Jordan.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Using football as an example, Dan Marino always trounced Joe Montana with stats, but Montana had four rings. Marino? Zero. Who do we remember as the greater leader, the greater quarterback, the greater football player? Joe Montana. In my opinion, Dan Marino isn't even in the top five for quarterbacks. ****, he's barely in the top 10.

Well its pretty clear by now that your opinion sucks.

 

[FirstTimer]

Dude... the misconception that Russell was always on better teams is just a flawed argument.

I never said he "always" was.

Generally I feel he was.

Whatever.

His years with the Lakers he was paired with Elgin Baylor and Jerry West and he STILL only won a single ring.

OH NOES! He also wasn't as good as he was when he was young. What's your point?

Russell had Cousy, Pettit, Sam Jones, KC Jones, Havlicek, etc. You're the one who's missing my argument.

No. I got it.

It's just dumb..and wrong.

Stats only tell you so much. You can keep trolling with ridiculous assertions about Wilt's stats and how he murdered Russell statistically and that's fine.

LOL at "trolling" with stats.

Sorry, I'll use more Special person evidence like LOOK AT THE TAPE! WILT DOMINATED ON BOTH ENDS OF THE FLOOR!

all fans care about is winning.

Incorrect.

There's a reason otto Graham isn't viewed as the best QB of all time.

Wilt didn't win as much as Russell, period. 11 to 2

Yup great. Never said otherwise.

I associate Russell with winning, I associate Wilt with a 100-point game, bloated stats against inferior competition and him completely wilting (no pun intended) in the playoffs year in and year out.

1. The Wilt beating short white guys argument is factually incorrect.

2. Think about what you just said and who you are advocating for.

****, he's barely in the top 10.

Yup.

You're stupid.

he was the second greatest basketball player of all-time behind Michael Jordan.

Completely fucking laughable.

 

[FirstTimer]

Thats a bad example because Marino and Montana never really played against each other. And even when their teams played one another, they were both on offense.

Your claiming that Russell had Wilt's number, yet Wilt usually upped his game and played even better against Russell than he did against other centers. That kind of lessens your point that Russell owned Wilt...it was more like the Celtics owned the Warriors/Sixers.
Your football example would be better if it was comparing Andrew Luck to Oregon's schlep QB and concluding that Oregon's QB is better because he "owned" Luck and Oregon beat Stanford.

Wilt dominated inferior competetion.



1. Wilt dominated everyone. Including Russell. Was Russell also included in this inferior competetion that Wilt dominated? If so, not sure you can have an "inferior" player to Wilt Chamblerain in the top 5 NBA players ever....let alone #2

2. If Russell wasn't inferior and only the competetition of Boston and Wilt's teams were..then it also lessens Russell's accomplishments...as all his accomplishments were against that same inferior competition.

So in summation what the hell is this guy talking about?

 

[JosMin]

am i the only one that thinks wilt is overrated?

Nope.

 

[FirstTimer]

Nope.

Brilliant.

Wilt is overrated but Russell is so great because he beat Wilt.

 

[JosMin]

11 rings > 2 rings.

I'm done arguing about it.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

11 rings > 2 rings.

I'm done arguing about it.

More like you have been proven wrong over and over and have nothing else to say.