Paul McCartney: closest thing we have to Mozart

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Yeah, I saw that bit. To be fair Paul is more like god in Liverpool.

How many people here would recognize Mozart if he walked up to you? At this point I don't even recognize the guy that played Mozart in the movie.

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Sir Paul is a legend. Still puts on a great show.
 

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Yeah, I saw that bit. To be fair Paul is more like god in Liverpool.

How many people here would recognize Mozart if he walked up to you? At this point I don't even recognize the guy that played Mozart in the movie.

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Uh, he has been dead for 200+ years now. Of course people are going to recognize the guy who is still alive.... The fact that Mozart is still the gold standard for music even after 200 years says a lot. I love Sir Paul as much as anyone but who knows if they'll still be talking about him in 200 years?
 

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I love ommy, but he is the absolute worst when it comes to talking about music. But it makes me laugh, so I hope he continues.
 

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Mozart was considered outdated and washed up in his own lifetime. He did write some excellent tunes though, like the ever poignant "Lick me in my ass:"

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Then there is "Leck mir den Arsch fein recht schön sauber"
 

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Giannis Chrysomallis > Mozart

and for real, living Mozart =

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Be real, he was competing with TWO song writing aces and some more nuanced music lovers give Jagger the edge.

or

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As much as I love Mick Jagger, he didnt write songs the quality of McCartney. A perfect example is Here, There and Everywhere which many critics think may be the greatest love song. Even Lennon was blown away by this song and hated most everything. Another great example critics point to is Maybe I'm Amazed

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Well, if you want to stick in the Rock/Pop genre, ELO or The Moody Blues would be my picks (and I would never make that statement). Pretty sure there are some modern composers that might compare, but I don't listen to that myself. Closest thing I have came to it is the Trans Siberian Orchestra lol.

I like ELO and the Moody Blues...

David Bowie Influenced More Musical Genres Than Any Other Rock Star

As for any counterclaims to the idea that Bowie has influenced more musical genres than any other rock star, let's address potential arguments. As I see it, there are really only three other rockers who can claim to have had the same cross-genre impact in meaningful ways: Jimi Hendrix, Lou Reed and Paul McCartney. If there's a sub-genre of rock or pop music post-Velvet Underground, whoever started it was probably inspired by Lou Reed. But Reed didn't impact electronic, soul or funk like Bowie did. As for Hendrix, his guitar acrobatics heavily influenced metal, rock, funk, jazz and, to a lesser extent, hip-hop. But his impact on dance, electronicaand pop music just isn't there.

Regarding McCartney, you could make a convincing argument that between the Beatles and his eclectic career since, he's impacted everything from metal to electronic to indie. But again, unlike Bowie, he never really got down with the funk, and despite his electronic experimentation on McCartney II, his impact on dance music is negligible.

Even there, McCartney's impact is more musical -- aside for a few years during the Beatles, Macca never influenced personal style and fashion like Bowie. Additionally, Bowie's various personas have had an impossible-to-overstate influence on teenage minds since the early '70s -- and he will probably continue to inspire personal artistry and nonconformity until long after all of us are dead. Even the idea that one person can have multiple personas and creative identities --- and still remain authentic with all of them -- is something Bowie pioneered. So in that way, Bowie truly is and will remain a peerless rock star -- someone whose music, style and outlook impacted the world in ways no one else did.
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Uh, he has been dead for 200+ years now. Of course people are going to recognize the guy who is still alive.... The fact that Mozart is still the gold standard for music even after 200 years says a lot. I love Sir Paul as much as anyone but who knows if they'll still be talking about him in 200 years?

You caught that, well played, I thought I could sneak that one past you, but no. That's the last time I underestimate you!

Anyway, my point was after seeing that bit on Cordon, to the people of Liverpool the only fair comparison for Sir Paul is not any other musician, rather god himself.

See those people really like him. A lot.
 

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I like ELO and the Moody Blues...

David Bowie Influenced More Musical Genres Than Any Other Rock Star

[FONT=&]As for any counterclaims to the idea that Bowie has influenced more musical genres than any other rock star, let's address potential arguments. As I see it, there are really only three other rockers who can claim to have had the same cross-genre impact in meaningful ways: Jimi Hendrix, Lou Reed and Paul McCartney. If there's a sub-genre of rock or pop music post-Velvet Underground, whoever started it was probably inspired by Lou Reed. But Reed didn't impact electronic, soul or funk like Bowie did. As for Hendrix, his guitar acrobatics heavily influenced metal, rock, funk, jazz and, to a lesser extent, hip-hop. But his impact on dance, electronicaand pop music just isn't there.
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[FONT=&]Regarding McCartney, you could make a convincing argument that between the Beatles and his eclectic career since, he's impacted everything from metal to electronic to indie. But again, unlike Bowie, he never really got down with the funk, and despite his electronic experimentation on McCartney II, his impact on dance music is negligible.
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[FONT=&]Even there, McCartney's impact is more musical -- aside for a few years during the Beatles, Macca never influenced personal style and fashion like Bowie. Additionally, Bowie's various personas have had an impossible-to-overstate influence on teenage minds since the early '70s -- and he will probably continue to inspire personal artistry and nonconformity until long after all of us are dead. Even the idea that one person can have multiple personas and creative identities --- and still remain authentic with all of them -- is something Bowie pioneered. So in that way, Bowie truly is and will remain a peerless rock star -- someone whose music, style and outlook impacted the world in ways no one else did.
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I would have to think about that a bit, But yes, Bowie was a big influence.

However, the OP was comparing McCartney to a composer, not a lyricist, which is comical in my opinion. My comment concerned the musical score, not the persona or influence of the artist. Crys got the comparison right.

Now your post makes for a much more interesting conversation, I will admit. You left Elvis off the list btw, and most likely, without him, none of the ones you mentioned would exist.
 

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If we're talking about the impact or influence of a musician/composer, you might as well leave Mozart off the list entirely. It's kind of a bizarre historical happenstance that he manages to be one of the most popular composers today when he was largely a footnote during his own, and subsequent, generations.

I mentioned earlier that he was roundly considered a has-been during the latter portion of his life; now, that wasn't because of some conspiracy contrived by Salieri or whatever other bullshit has been fed to you by pop culture. The reason he died poor was because his contribution to the genre was actually quite minimal. What he did contribute was a melding of lyrical Italian operatic melodies into the instrumental Mannheim and Berlin schools (Style Galant/empfindsamer Stil). I mean, Haydn, who was 24 years older than Mozart, was still evolving his style by the time Mozart had already grown stale and keeled over.

If you examine the following generation -- Beethoven pretty much single-handedly dragged the medium into the Romantic period (musical periods tended to trail their artistic and literary counterparts by roughly 30 years due to the complexities of translating a movement into a completely interpretive medium [if we're talking about instrumental music]) -- Haydn had a far greater impact on the development of western music than Mozart, and it's not even close. This is kind of similar as to how we now revere J.S. Bach, but completely ignore his kids that were the innovators of what became the "classical" period. The only reason we remember J.S. so fondly is because Felix Mendelssohn started a Bach revival of sorts by conducting the St. Mathew's Passion for the first time in, likely, damn near a century -- thus starting the first wave of public appreciation of "antique" or "classical" music.

Now, this is not to say that Mozart was a hack or anything, I mean the Kyrie of his Requiem is a double-fugue in the form of a sonata...that is some fucking brilliant shit going on there. But, he was never a Lennon or McCartney in his own time -- more like a Kenny Wayne Shepherd or Jonny Lang: kids who were phenomenal musicians at a young age and got tons of accolades, but don't really have much to contribute as adults. With most composers you can identify a progressive early-middle-mature stylistic progression in their work, while Mozart's progression was basically "child prodigy with no particular style" - "jazz fusionist of the late 18th century" - "early-middle-aged dude that hasn't moved past his jazz fusion days." Mozart was incredibly famous as a child, had a decent early career and did some innovation, then got locked into his style and evolved very little for the last decade plus of his life while other composers kept moving forward.

Again, it isn't that I don't thoroughly enjoy some his work, but him always being held up as some sort of paragon of musicianship/innovation is just kind of ignorant of the historical reality. Unless, of course, if you're suggesting that McCartney is incredibly overrated by popular culture just as Mozart is; I guess you could argue that if it's what you're going for.
 

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David Bowie Influenced More Musical Genres Than Any Other Rock Star

Not to chip in the race card. Heck, people should know me, I'm not a SJW race baiting *******. But there is STILL an enormous segment of 60s/70s rock critics that only admit that the real influence behind rock exploding wasn't british or white for that matter. And if you ask those guys on the beatles, on the stones, on zeppelin, ac/dc, floyd, prestley and heck, every band we consider the broadest spectrum of influential(including Bowie), they all agree. The real influence(s) of rock over the years are far more black and American than white and from England.

Chuck Berry and James Brown did more for Rock and Roll than anyone recording at IBC Studios. And that train didn't start at either of those guys either.

Anyways... this thread was more about *living* legends, so I see how none of this(Bowie or Berry) really fits into place now.
 

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You caught that, well played, I thought I could sneak that one past you, but no. That's the last time I underestimate you!

Anyway, my point was after seeing that bit on Cordon, to the people of Liverpool the only fair comparison for Sir Paul is not any other musician, rather god himself.

See those people really like him. A lot.

Sure
 

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Don’t know how Paul could be this generation’s Mozart, when the greatest Beatles song of them all, was penned by George (While My Guitar Gently Weeps).

I guess Wings really knocked Ommy’s socks off :shrugs:


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Not to chip in the race card. Heck, people should know me, I'm not a SJW race baiting *******. But there is STILL an enormous segment of 60s/70s rock critics that only admit that the real influence behind rock exploding wasn't british or white for that matter. And if you ask those guys on the beatles, on the stones, on zeppelin, ac/dc, floyd, prestley and heck, every band we consider the broadest spectrum of influential(including Bowie), they all agree. The real influence(s) of rock over the years are far more black and American than white and from England.

Chuck Berry and James Brown did more for Rock and Roll than anyone recording at IBC Studios. And that train didn't start at either of those guys either.

Anyways... this thread was more about *living* legends, so I see how none of this(Bowie or Berry) really fits into place now.

Whenever Elvis was confronted with the subject "The coloured folks been singing it and playing it just like I'm doing now, man, for more years than I know," Elvis said. "I got it from them. Down in Tupelo, Mississippi, I used to hear old Arthur Crudup bang his box the way I do now, and I said if I ever got to the place where I could feel all old Arthur felt, I'd be a music man like nobody ever saw."
 

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Don’t know how Paul could be this generation’s Mozart, when the greatest Beatles song of them all, was penned by George (While My Guitar Gently Weeps).

I guess Wings really knocked Ommy’s socks off :shrugs:


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Something is the greatest Beatles song
 

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Jonny Greenwood is closer.

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