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[jc456]

The term troll gets thrown around here a little too loosely...so when I get tagged as a troll a simple facepalm is usually the best response.

Yeah good advice.

 

[remydat]

To be fair, we really don't know if what Emery's gameplan is for those mass interviews...its obvious a lot of it was to gain information, but the real question is what info was he trying to gain?

And I agree with you that Teddy and Remy are a little off base with that thinking...it just doesn't make sense. If one of those coaches is brought in for an interview and gives up some key info of his current teams behind the scenes operations and he ends up not getting the job. Then he has basically given a direct competitor an advantage. Like you and I said, if they want that info then its going to take more than a preliminary interview for me to offer up that info.

I already gave an example of how a candidate naturally provides info during the course of an interview. There is simply no way to give a detailed answer to questions about how you would run the Bears as HC without also providing some insight on how things are done at your current org. It's a natural byproduct of the interview process. You can certainly hide deep dark trade secrets but any HC candidate has been influenced by the teams he worked for and you can't articulate your ideas on the Bears without revealing that influence.

 

[gpphat]

I already gave an example of how a candidate naturally provides info during the course of an interview. There is simply no way to give a detailed answer to questions about how you would run the Bears as HC without also providing some insight on how things are done at your current org. It's a natural byproduct of the interview process. You can certainly hide deep dark trade secrets but any HC candidate has been influenced by the teams he worked for and you can't articulate your ideas on the Bears without revealing that influence.

Your situation is at least somewhat feasible and I could see that happening with any coach...but that's not so much the team's operations he is really going to be talking about but more his offensive/defensive philosophy or strategies and what players fit his schemes. But the draft "secrets" or scouting stategies and the more behind the scene operations, there is only so much you could really ask before a candidate will know, "hey, this guy is looking more for information on my team then to really hire me"

 

[modo]

LOL at the backpedaling.

The issue OBVIOUSLY isn't who the Bears will hire as HC...the issue is Teddy KGB's bizarre claim that Emery is getting clubhouse secrets from special teams guys like Harvey Armstrong and Dave Toub, that Emery is misguiding Marc Trestman by giving him false CFL free agent feelers, and that Emery is dropping incorrect draft prospect names on Tom Clements so Clements can report this incorrect information back to Mark Murphy, ensuring that the real prospect the Bears want will be available when they make their pick.

I haven't backpeddled from anything I have said.

In reality, some people around the league are complaining about the Bears getting inside info of other teams.

We can only speculate on what is going on in the interviews. It is possible Emery is getting info on other teams....

 

[remydat]

Your situation is at least somewhat feasible and I could see that happening with any coach...but that's not so much the team's operations he is really going to be talking about but more his offensive/defensive philosophy or strategies and what players fit his schemes. But the draft "secrets" or scouting stategies and the more behind the scene operations, there is only so much you could really ask before a candidate will know, "hey, this guy is looking more for information on my team then to really hire me"

Perhaps if you suck at interviewing people. However, there are ways to phrase a question so that not answering it would make the candidate look unreasonable. And I guess what I am saying is his philiosophies were naturally influenced by his current teams philosophies.

In any event I agree you can probably avoid giving away big trade secrets but at the end of the day I don't think that is what Emery is fishing for. He is fishing for the little things that define a culture and approach. The things you do day in and day out as a matter of routine. The things that a candidate may not necessarily consider some big trade secret and had incorporated into his philosophy.

Big organizations are always at risk of group think especially when they have been under the same management for so long. So when you have a big search like this, you are bound to hear things that are new and fresh because the guys in your building have been so accustomed to how things are done in that building.

 

[number51]

The Bears have been under Emery's management for less than a year. Has "group think" already permeated the organization???

Angelo has been gone for a year, are we still expecting stupidity from our GM? It is good that Emery asks potential candidates questions, lots of candidates, lots of questions. More information is better than less.

Now time to process all that info, and make a great hire.

 

[Kurtosis]

I said this before, but isn't that frightening? That Emery has no clue what he's doing, and instead is asking special teams coaches and guys who are in the CFL "how does your organization run on a day-to-day basis"? What was Emery doing during his 20 years in the NFL? Sleeping?



The Bears have been under Emery's management for less than a year. Has "group think" already permeated the organization???

Continuing to learn and being open to the opinions of others is never a bad thing. Neither is being thorough for that matter.

 

[NCChiFan]

I said this before, but isn't that frightening? That Emery has no clue what he's doing,The Bears have been under Emery's management for less than a year. Has "group think" already permeated the organization???

Are you supposing that Emery has no clue what he's doing, or saying that others are suggesting "Emery has no clue what he's doing" and why don't they consider that frightening?

 

[onebud34]

I must say...Bevell being a finalist kinda frightens me a bit.

 

[jc456]

Are you supposing that Emery has no clue what he's doing, or saying that others are suggesting "Emery has no clue what he's doing" and why don't they consider that frightening?

I find standing in the middle of the street with a car coming at me at a high rate of speed frightening. A football head coach hire, not so much!

I just sit back and think, it's the Bears!

 

[Kurtosis]

Its the latter. I don't pretend to have any inside information on this...I'm just reading what the true insiders on this board are posting (Teddy KGB and EDUMB), and am surprised that no one finds whats going on to be questionable. Find it odd that Emery is soliciting advice from outsiders who are less qualified than himself.

Is he soliciting advice or information?

 

[remydat]

I said this before, but isn't that frightening? That Emery has no clue what he's doing, and instead is asking special teams coaches and guys who are in the CFL "how does your organization run on a day-to-day basis"? What was Emery doing during his 20 years in the NFL? Sleeping?

The Bears have been under Emery's management for less than a year. Has "group think" already permeated the organization???

If I run AT&T and have a pretty good idea of how I want things run, there is still value in hearing from a guy at Sprint or Verizon about how they do things. It's about perspective. My perspective is influenced by my experiences and people with experiences different than my own might have a different perspective on things.

As for group think I was referring to Lovie and Angelo's regime. They had a certain way of doing things that has been ingrained in the staff. When Emery came in he promoted existing scouts and did not bring a bunch of people with him. So you still have largely guys that grew up under Lovie and Angelo.

 

[nwfisch]

Heard on the SCORE this morning that Bates is as good as gone FWIW from Mully and Hanley.

 

[Kurtosis]

You tell me. I am ignorant on this issue. Here is a portion of what I've heard...please respond with your thoughts:

First aspect of tackling an issue is Intelligence - gather as much data and resources as possible. Once you have a wealth of information to draw on, you can then use it to your advantage when tackling your objective. It doesn't necessarily mean you will be completely beholden to the information, but what it can let you do in this instance is get an idea how other teams operate, which may allow you to gain an advantage over other teams if you are pursuing the same free agents, or if you need an edge on draft day to know whether you are safe standing pat on a pick, or might need to move aggressively to move up, or maybe even leak the right kind of false information to your rivals to try to influence them to jump up and grab a guy you had no intention of getting in the first place, just so the guy you really want has a better likelyhood of dropping in your lap.

Notwithstanding the shoddy grammar in the italicized portion of your post (which clearly came from someone else) I would lean toward information and not advice.

I just think people in this thread are making a mountain out of a molehill about this; frankly I do not think this type of behavior is exclusive to Emery. One would think that the majority of competent general managers (in any sport) would glean as much information from their prospective candidates as possible. I do not see anything surprising, amazing, or alarming with Emery's behavior during the interviewing process, just a man doing his job and thorough at that.

 

[nwfisch]

Notwithstanding the shoddy grammar in the italicized portion of your post I would lean toward information and not advice.

I just think people in this thread are making a mountain out of a molehill about this; frankly I do not think this type of behavior is exclusive to Emery. One would think that the majority of competent general managers (in any sport) would glean as much information from their prospective candidates as possible. I do not see anything surprising, amazing, or alarming with Emery's behavior during the interviewing process, just a man doing his job and thorough at that.

Yeah you think fans from the Chicago area would appreciate the thorough search by Emery. After seeing Kenny Williams, Jim Hendry, and Jerry Angelo make decisions on haste, I'd think a GM being thorough in his search for perhaps his only HC would be a good thing. After the new coach is hired, the clock starts ticking on Emery and the results start to fall on him.

 

[remydat]

LOL at this. If AT&T hires you, you wouldn't have gotten the job by saying "I have a 'pretty good idea' of how I want things run". Come on. And if you were running AT&T, wouldn't you have done your Sprint/Verizon research beforehand? And if you didn't, would you be willing to change your AT&T approach, which has been in place less than a year, based on what some low level guy at Sprint told you?

Did I say that is what I told AT&T to get the job. And yes I may do research beforehand but first hand accounts are pretty good. Anf if it is a good idea I hadn't thought about then yes I may change things. And a potential HC is not a low level employee. They are one or two levels below the GM and will be in charge of a major part of the company.

Let me ask, do you think Bellichek gets advice fron other people like say for example college coaches?

 

[onebud34]

Let me ask, do you think Bellichek gets advice fron other people like say for example college coaches?

 

[modo]

Who is complaining? What inside information are the Bears getting? Is the inside information the same type of information that Teddy KGB is describing? If not, then what is Teddy KGB basing his statement on?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/07/teams-grumbling-over-breadth-of-bears-eagles-coaching-searches/

 

[jc456]

Notwithstanding the shoddy grammar in the italicized portion of your post (which clearly came from someone else) I would lean toward information and not advice.

I just think people in this thread are making a mountain out of a molehill about this; frankly I do not think this type of behavior is exclusive to Emery. One would think that the majority of competent general managers (in any sport) would glean as much information from their prospective candidates as possible. I do not see anything surprising, amazing, or alarming with Emery's behavior during the interviewing process, just a man doing his job and thorough at that.

Well every, and I use the word every, sports outlet has stated the Emery interview process is outside the norm. So you're not correct with that statement from the national and local media outlets.
Edit: I heard words like unusual, 13 candidates sets a new mark. I'm just saying I think he went outside the norm. I'm not saying that is bad, just please don't say he did it as other franchises have done it. Al Davis was the only mention. And Al was the owner of the Raiders, so, maybe he had other objectives as an owner.