Pete Carroll botches the Super Bowl

[run and shoot]

Here's the truth about this 2015 SB


http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/201...ks-coach-pete-carroll-botches-super-bowl-xlix

 

[run and shoot]

"Seattle linebacker Bruce Irvin was even more pointed, telling me, “We beat ‘em, bro. We beat ‘em… I’m speechless. Best back in the league, and the 1-yard-line? It wasn’t even the 1 — it was like half a yard. I will never understand that, bro. I will never understand it. I will never understand…

“When Jermaine caught that ball, I felt it was meant to be for us. Oh, no doubt — we’re gonna score. Beast Mode. Beast Mode! Best back on the (expletive) planet. That’s crazy!”

So yes, like Lucy Ricardo, Carroll had some explaining to do."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...e-carroll-explains-rationale-on-illfated-call

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Interesting thing here is when Lynch was asked if he was surprised he didn't get the ball, he not only answered but took the high road. He said no and when asked why not, he said because it's a team sport.

 

[Jack Lame]

I think you can say Derrell Bevell pretty much killed whatever chance he had at a head coaching job by throwing the WR under the bus, twice.

 

[ZenBear34]

i still think it was a better play by butler then it was a bad play call be the seahawks. if butler isn't moving to that spot before wilson even completes his drop, that's an easy touchdown. it was the RIGHT call, butler just made an amazing play. it's a testament to belichick's coaching. an undrafted rookie diagnosed a play before it happened. the patriots were all on the line of scrimmage. they were selling out to the run and hoping that if it was a pass, the DBs could make the play. a slant in the situation against that defense is a touchdown 90% of the time at least.

for the record, lynch was 1 for 5 from the 1 yard line this year, and over his career is below average from the 1 yard line.

people don't seem to understand how great a play butler made. the odds of that pass being intercepted are probably less then .5%. butler is moving to the spot before the wilson has even begun to raise his arm to make the throw. it's inspired stuff, and instead of everyone focusing on the seahawks messing up, they should be focusing on what was actually a very high percentage play that was thwarted by an amazing individual effort.

 

[Novak]

Had it not been for a random, fluke catch on the 4th prayer that Wilson threw up for grabs, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Or, considering it was 2nd down on the half yard line, he could have thrown the ball away instead of throwing a Cutleresque pick. Very choke. But I digress..

Be mud, Seahawks "fans". Be very mud.

 

[Packer Fan]

i still think it was a better play by butler then it was a bad play call be the seahawks. if butler isn't moving to that spot before wilson even completes his drop, that's an easy touchdown. it was the RIGHT call, butler just made an amazing play. it's a testament to belichick's coaching. an undrafted rookie diagnosed a play before it happened. the patriots were all on the line of scrimmage. they were selling out to the run and hoping that if it was a pass, the DBs could make the play. a slant in the situation against that defense is a touchdown 90% of the time at least.

for the record, lynch was 1 for 5 from the 1 yard line this year, and over his career is below average from the 1 yard line.

people don't seem to understand how great a play butler made. the odds of that pass being intercepted are probably less then .5%. butler is moving to the spot before the wilson has even begun to raise his arm to make the throw. it's inspired stuff, and instead of everyone focusing on the seahawks messing up, they should be focusing on what was actually a very high percentage play that was thwarted by an amazing individual effort.

I'm one of the few that isn't shocked at how stupid the play call was. If they needed 3 downs to get the score they would likely be throwing on one of them. And if it was 4th down it would be much less of surprise than the 1st down disaster that actually happened. Sure every person in the world thinks Lynch should have gotten the ball but that's just another reason to forgive the pass attempt. Obviously in retrospect it looks pretty stupid to throw it but it was pretty close to being a solid call.

Carroll had it thought out (and I hate Pete Carroll), I just didn't think he saw that outcome as a possibility.

 

[iueyedoc]

 

[remydat]

It was a dumb play call because of the situation. You have 3 downs to win the Super Bowl. You don't take unnecessary risks unless you have to which 2nd and goal is not when you have to. If you are going to lose the Super Bowl, lose it doing what you do best not worrying about what the other team is lined up in.

Furthermore, If you were that concerned about the goal line D then run a fake to Lynch and have one of the best running QBs roll out to the outside where he can run it in, throw it only if a guy is pretty much unguarded, throw it out of the back of the end zone, or just fall down and waste the play like Carroll claims he was trying to do.

 

[Novak]

It was a dumb play call because of the situation. You have 3 downs to win the Super Bowl. You don't take unnecessary risks unless you have to which 2nd and goal is not when you have to. If you are going to lose the Super Bowl, lose it dowing what you do best not worrying about what the other team is lined up in.

Furthermore, If you were that concerned about the goal line D then run a fake to Lynch and have one of the best running QBs roll out to the outside where he can run it in, throw it only if a guy is pretty much unguarded, throw it out of the back of the end zone, or just fall down and waste the play like Carroll claims he was trying to do.

Wilson could have thrown it away.

I'm so confused by the amount of Wilson love on these boards. If that was nearly any other QB, the QB would be the one getting crucified. Not the play call or coach.

It was an epic choke and you can't put that all on Carroll, as much as I hate that ******.

 

[Bearly]

I'm one of the few that isn't shocked at how stupid the play call was. If they needed 3 downs to get the score they would likely be throwing on one of them. And if it was 4th down it would be much less of surprise than the 1st down disaster that actually happened. Sure every person in the world thinks Lynch should have gotten the ball but that's just another reason to forgive the pass attempt. Obviously in retrospect it looks pretty stupid to throw it but it was pretty close to being a solid call.

Carroll had it thought out (and I hate Pete Carroll), I just didn't think he saw that outcome as a possibility.

Woody Hayes: "Three Things Can Happen When You Pass and Two of Them Are Bad"

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

Bruce Irvin is classless turd

 

[BearDownZZ]

Also look at the situation.

It was 50 seconds and they chose to change to a 3 WR to spread out NE, but the Patriots stayed in a goaline package. So the subbing allowed NE to sub and that cost about 20 seconds, so they snapped around 30 seconds if I remember right.

They were down by 4 so they knew FOR SURE that they had 4 downs to get in the endzone. It was 2nd down and they were going against a run stuffing formation. And Lynch had been stopped twice already in this game on 3rd and short. So he's not nearly as sure of a thing as people think.

Now consider the time. They only had 1 timeout left. If you run on that down and don't get in. You have to burn your last time out. Now you can't run on 3rd down because you wouldn't have a way to stop the clock, you'd be scrambling to get 4th down play off.

By passing on 2nd down, you have a chance at a TD or it goes incomplete. Then its 3rd down with 1 timeout so you have run pass option left on 3rd and 4th down. Calling a pass play is actually a sound strategy if you really think about and Carroll explained that clearly.

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I agree 100% with Packer Fan - it was a great read by the corner and he jumped it perfect.

Some blame goes on Russell Wilson. Its a quick pass but he's got to watch that corner and make sure he doesn't jump it before he throws. He should have pumped and held it then thrown it out of the back of the endzone.

Also, if you are going to run a quick slant, throw it low where it can't get picked off that easy. Most teams actually throw that low on purpose. The WR expects it low so he can make the play, the corner can knock it down but very hard to pick it.

In the end, I think Carroll and Bevell should have game planned this situation and had a different play call. You want a safe play. Quick slants are dangerous. They often get tipped at the line or the WR tips the ball up or smart corners read it and jump it which is what happened. They could have ran FB in the flat or rolled out Wilson with a TE running to the back pylon. You can even play action straight back and have a receiver try to cross and you hit him at the back pylon or throw it away. This way you avoid anyone jumping the route and you avoid potential tips at the line.

 

[Boochee Man]

Passing when you should definitely run? Trestman must be running that offense.

 

[remydat]

Wilson could have thrown it away.

I'm so confused by the amount of Wilson love on these boards. If that was nearly any other QB, the QB would be the one getting crucified. Not the play call or coach.

It was an epic choke and you can't put that all on Carroll, as much as I hate that ******.

Here it is in motion:

I don't know how anyone could look at the above and blame Wilson on that play. There is a good 3 or 4 yards between Lockette and Butler when Wilson makes the throw and the play is a designed pick play. No QB in the league is going to anticipate a CB closing that distance that fast on a pick play. Butler was actually lined up as a deep safety on the play so is actually 8 yards from Lockette when the ball is snapped.

From the still image, it's debatable whether Wilson can even see Butler as he is coming from behind the outside WR and CB who are engaged with each other and potentially obstructing Wilson's view of Butler. More than likely any QB is going to see that play and presume Butler got caught up in the wash with the outside WR and CB because that is what the play is designed to do.

 

[Alterego]

this was the worst super bowl for me to watch. outside of the packers, these 2 teams are my least favorite mostly due to the coaches. i'm pumped that carroll over thought it and ultimately aided in losing the super bowl but i'm pissed that belichek won by playing smart at the end. I guess I would have mixed feelings no matter who won.

 

[JoeyBones21]

i still think it was a better play by butler then it was a bad play call be the seahawks. if butler isn't moving to that spot before wilson even completes his drop, that's an easy touchdown. it was the RIGHT call, butler just made an amazing play. it's a testament to belichick's coaching. an undrafted rookie diagnosed a play before it happened. the patriots were all on the line of scrimmage. they were selling out to the run and hoping that if it was a pass, the DBs could make the play. a slant in the situation against that defense is a touchdown 90% of the time at least.

for the record, lynch was 1 for 5 from the 1 yard line this year, and over his career is below average from the 1 yard line.

people don't seem to understand how great a play butler made. the odds of that pass being intercepted are probably less then .5%. butler is moving to the spot before the wilson has even begun to raise his arm to make the throw. it's inspired stuff, and instead of everyone focusing on the seahawks messing up, they should be focusing on what was actually a very high percentage play that was thwarted by an amazing individual effort.

I agree. Hindsight is 20/20, but the call wasn't terrible. Seeing it in real time, I said out loud, "there it is!" referring to the receiver getting open on the slant. The instant he broke into that slant, it looked like a TD in the making. Butler just made an incredible play.

 

[JoeyBones21]

This is exactly what I'm talking about. That's an open WR if you ask me. However, Butler saw it all the way. Look at how he's already breaking. Great play.

 

[Bearly]

Also look at the situation.

It was 50 seconds and they chose to change to a 3 WR to spread out NE, but the Patriots stayed in a goaline package. So the subbing allowed NE to sub and that cost about 20 seconds, so they snapped around 30 seconds if I remember right.

They were down by 4 so they knew FOR SURE that they had 4 downs to get in the endzone. It was 2nd down and they were going against a run stuffing formation. And Lynch had been stopped twice already in this game on 3rd and short. So he's not nearly as sure of a thing as people think.

Now consider the time. They only had 1 timeout left. If you run on that down and don't get in. You have to burn your last time out. Now you can't run on 3rd down because you wouldn't have a way to stop the clock, you'd be scrambling to get 4th down play off.

By passing on 2nd down, you have a chance at a TD or it goes incomplete. Then its 3rd down with 1 timeout so you have run pass option left on 3rd and 4th down. Calling a pass play is actually a sound strategy if you really think about and Carroll explained that clearly.

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I agree 100% with Packer Fan - it was a great read by the corner and he jumped it perfect.

Some blame goes on Russell Wilson. Its a quick pass but he's got to watch that corner and make sure he doesn't jump it before he throws. He should have pumped and held it then thrown it out of the back of the endzone.

Also, if you are going to run a quick slant, throw it low where it can't get picked off that easy. Most teams actually throw that low on purpose. The WR expects it low so he can make the play, the corner can knock it down but very hard to pick it.

In the end, I think Carroll and Bevell should have game planned this situation and had a different play call. You want a safe play. Quick slants are dangerous. They often get tipped at the line or the WR tips the ball up or smart corners read it and jump it which is what happened. They could have ran FB in the flat or rolled out Wilson with a TE running to the back pylon. You can even play action straight back and have a receiver try to cross and you hit him at the back pylon or throw it away. This way you avoid anyone jumping the route and you avoid potential tips at the line.

If they're stuffing the middle, why throw directly into it? I think everyone would have at least understood a roll out and dump to stop the clock type play but that call doesn't really counter a D setup to stop a middle run. If they think it's a run, backs are already moving forward at the snap and aids them into exactly what happened.

 

[WarLax]

Maybe someone has posted this already, but that was the first interception thrown on a pass from the one all year. The entire year a pass in that situation had not once been picked.

As others have stated, Lynch doesn't have a great track record in that situation. Five opportunities, one touchdown and net negative yardage.

Statistically and anecdotally(the seahawks own experiences) the call was not nearly as bad as the whinging manginas on this forum and in other places make it out to be.