Pete Carroll botches the Super Bowl

[BringBackDitka54]

I love Belichick.

 

[The Hawk]

I never understand why some so called brilliant minds make such dumb fucking decisions when it is crunch time. That is what Seattle did on that play. They outsmarted themselves. Many many coaches before this have done it and it was Seattle's turn to be dumb. IT just didn't make sense. Not in that situation it didn't. Not when you have a fucking ramming ball waiting at the doorway to crash the damn thing in. Smartness sometimes needs to take a back seat to WILL.

 

[Nail Polish]

People are overlooking the play right after the int..If the Hawks didn't encroach, there was a possibility the Pats take the safety..Then the Seahawk's would have had a chance. They still had TO's, and all they would have needed was a FG..I know it was improbable, but stranger things have happened as witnessed by the pass on the GL. After the 5 yards penalty though, Brady could take a knee and that's all she wrote

 

[mecha]

83 doesn't get knocked down he probably makes that catch and they win. that's just fantastic defense. it was a great overall game cause despite the final scores, both defenses came up pretty strong. Wilson's lucky he dropped like 4-5 huge bombs and connected every time. especially that fluke bounce catch. watching that replay blew my mind and I thought the game was over.

People are overlooking the play right after the int..If the Hawks didn't encroach, there was a possibility the Pats take the safety..Then the Seahawk's would have had a chance. They still had TO's, and all they would have needed was a FG..I know it was improbable, but stranger things have happened as witnessed by the pass on the GL. After the 5 yards penalty though, Brady could take a knee and that's all she wrote

haahahha!!!! that was the true colossal fuckup on the Seahawks part. the fight afterward was the icing on the cake. shitheads.

 

[Nail Polish]

83 doesn't get knocked down he probably makes that catch and they win. that's just fantastic defense. it was a great overall game cause despite the final scores, both defenses came up pretty strong. Wilson's lucky he dropped like 4-5 huge bombs and connected every time. especially that fluke bounce catch. watching that replay blew my mind and I thought the game was over.



haahahha!!!! that was the true colossal fuckup on the Seahawks part. the fight afterward was the icing on the cake. shitheads.

Can you imagine what an ending that would have made

1..The improbable bobble catch

2..The int in the end zone

3..Pats take the safety

4..Seahawks kick a FG

lmao

 

[iueyedoc]

Maybe someone has posted this already, but that was the first interception thrown on a pass from the one all year. The entire year a pass in that situation had not once been picked.

As others have stated, Lynch doesn't have a great track record in that situation. Five opportunities, one touchdown and net negative yardage.

Statistically and anecdotally(the seahawks own experiences) the call was not nearly as bad as the whinging manginas on this forum and in other places make it out to be.

Wrong, the play call was fucking awful. Even if Lynch had both legs amputated on the previous play, you don't throw the ball short of the endzone in traffic.

 

[remydat]

This is exactly what I'm talking about. That's an open WR if you ask me. However, Butler saw it all the way. Look at how he's already breaking. Great play.

And that is the other reason why you don't really want to throw the ball in a situation like that if you don't have to. On the half yard line, I can bet what is going through Butler's head is "**** it, they are probably going to score either way so I am going to go for broke because what do I have to lose."

There just isn't much in the way of punishment with that down, distance, and time on the clock to discourage a CB from going for broke. You can see in that image that Butler has nothing else on his mind except the slant because he knows it's unlikely given the situation he is going to be subject to a double move or anything like that.

 

[FirstTimer]

Here it is in motion:

I don't know how anyone could look at the above and blame Wilson on that play. There is a good 3 or 4 yards between Lockette and Butler when Wilson makes the throw and the play is a designed pick play. No QB in the league is going to anticipate a CB closing that distance that fast on a pick play. Butler was actually lined up as a deep safety on the play so is actually 8 yards from Lockette when the ball is snapped.

From the still image, it's debatable whether Wilson can even see Butler as he is coming from behind the outside WR and CB who are engaged with each other and potentially obstructing Wilson's view of Butler. More than likely any QB is going to see that play and presume Butler got caught up in the wash with the outside WR and CB because that is what the play is designed to do.

Way to steal gpphat's post.

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/...-just-Proved?p=2021470&viewfull=1#post2021470

 

[Packer Fan]

Can you imagine what an ending that would have made

1..The improbable bobble catch

2..The int in the end zone

3..Pats take the safety

4..Seahawks kick a FG

lmao

The NFL should hire you to script the games.

 

[Nail Polish]

The NFL should hire you to script the games.

lol..Id love that job...But the packer fans wouldnt be too happy

 

[Tjodalv]

Not entirely sure why so many feel the need to force the blame onto one party or another.

-The play call was poor given the situation: they could have run the ball again, and if gotten stuffed spent the TO; then thrown to the endzone on 3rd down (incompletion stops the clock); and done whatever on 4th down since it would be the last play of their possession anyways. The run attempt on 2nd down would have had a larger chance of preserving possession than a pass (which is why coaches pretty much always attempt to punch it in before trying to pass into the endzone if they have timeout(s) or enough left on the clock).

-The pass was not well place. Given, this isn't by much, but if that throw were on the numbers there is no way it ends up picked -- he led the WR by a foot or so too far, allowing for the DB to cut in front of the WR rather than having to go through him. This may be nitpicky, but it's true.

-The route: perhaps the WR not running trough the route hard enough is what resulted in the previous point? I mean, if you just look at those GIFs it's clear the DB is breaking to that spot much harder than the WR.

-DB play. Yep, that kid made a fucking great read and drove on the ball with purpose. Absolutely great play. But that does not absolve the above.

 

[SlickWilly]

]If they're stuffing the middle, why throw directly into it[/SIZE]? I think everyone would have at least understood a roll out and dump to stop the clock type play but that call doesn't really counter a D setup to stop a middle run. If they think it's a run, backs are already moving forward at the snap and aids them into exactly what happened.

Other than the guy who made the pick, there was one other guy in the vicinity, and there was no way he was making the int. I wouldn't call that stuffing the middle.

 

[SlickWilly]

Not entirely sure why so many feel the need to force the blame onto one party or another.

-The play call was poor given the situation: they could have run the ball again, and if gotten stuffed spent the TO; then thrown to the endzone on 3rd down (incompletion stops the clock); and done whatever on 4th down since it would be the last play of their possession anyways. The run attempt on 2nd down would have had a larger chance of preserving possession than a pass (which is why coaches pretty much always attempt to punch it in before trying to pass into the endzone if they have timeout(s) or enough left on the clock).

-The pass was not well place. Given, this isn't by much, but if that throw were on the numbers there is no way it ends up picked -- he led the WR by a foot or so too far, allowing for the DB to cut in front of the WR rather than having to go through him. This may be nitpicky, but it's true.

-The route: perhaps the WR not running trough the route hard enough is what resulted in the previous point? I mean, if you just look at those GIFs it's clear the DB is breaking to that spot much harder than the WR.

-DB play. Yep, that kid made a fucking great read and drove on the ball with purpose. Absolutely great play. But that does not absolve the above.

I disagree there. That DB was making a break before the ball was thrown. 80 to 90% of the time any other DB doesn't make his break that soon and that same pass is an easy TD. That play was all Butler and was phenomenal. There's about a 20% chance at best a DB makes the play he did so you take those odds and make the throw Wilson does.

 

[Dejo]

You cannot blame it on one play. Seattle was up 10. Continued to pass deep as opposed to running the ball to kill the clock, while the legion of who was too banged up to stop the Pats. People salivate over that last play, but the game was lost for a number of reasons.

 

[remydat]

Way to steal gpphat's post.

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/...-just-Proved?p=2021470&viewfull=1#post2021470

I did not steal his post. I stole the image in his post and used it here as I had already quoted him in post 143 of the thread above where I said pretty much what I said above.

 

[FirstTimer]

I did not steal his post. I stole the image in his post and used it here as I had already quoted him in post 143 of the thread above where I said pretty much what I said above.

LOL. Ok.

 

[Bears1985defense]

Interesting thing here is when Lynch was asked if he was surprised he didn't get the ball, he not only answered but took the high road. He said no and when asked why not, he said because it's a team sport.

I thought that showed a lot of class (and probably restraint) on his part. Kind of feel sorry for him, knowing he could have probably made the SB-winning score.

 

[FatBabiesHaveNoPride]

Had it not been for a random, fluke catch on the 4th prayer that Wilson threw up for grabs, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Or, considering it was 2nd down on the half yard line, he could have thrown the ball away instead of throwing a Cutleresque pick. Very choke. But I digress..

Be mud, Seahawks "fans". Be very mud.

It's funny. That play was so 2014 Bears.

Dumb play call from a guy trying to 'outthink' the defense.

QB making a very bad decision and dumb pick to put a nail in a coffin.

So Bears-like.

 

[FatBabiesHaveNoPride]

I'm one of the few that isn't shocked at how stupid the play call was. If they needed 3 downs to get the score they would likely be throwing on one of them. And if it was 4th down it would be much less of surprise than the 1st down disaster that actually happened. Sure every person in the world thinks Lynch should have gotten the ball but that's just another reason to forgive the pass attempt. Obviously in retrospect it looks pretty stupid to throw it but it was pretty close to being a solid call.

Carroll had it thought out (and I hate Pete Carroll), I just didn't think he saw that outcome as a possibility.

Actually no. Belicheck would have been forced to use a time out or two as well since he'd need to save some time for Brady to get the ball back after Seattle scored.

Seattle would have had 3 opportunities for a Lynch run.

 

[FatBabiesHaveNoPride]

Way to steal gpphat's post.

http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/...-just-Proved?p=2021470&viewfull=1#post2021470

Three things I just noticed from those angles:

- Even if it's a catch, there's a chance he doesn't get in.

- Kearse committed a penalty - that was an illegal pick on Browner

- Butler really did make a fucking unbelievable play.