Pete Carroll botches the Super Bowl

[FirstTimer]

Three things I just noticed from those angles:

- Even if it's a catch, there's a chance he doesn't get in.

- Kearse committed a penalty - that was an illegal pick on Browner

- Butler really did make a fucking unbelievable play.

Meh Not really IMO. Browner was locked up with him too. It's a yard off the LOS. At one point Kearse has his hand in the air and Browner is still fully engaged.

 

[Wild_x_Card]

Had it not been for a random, fluke catch on the 4th prayer that Wilson threw up for grabs, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Or, considering it was 2nd down on the half yard line, he could have thrown the ball away instead of throwing a Cutleresque pick. Very choke. But I digress..

Be mud, Seahawks "fans". Be very mud.

4th prayer, 50/50 ball, whatever anyone chooses to call them, are they really any of those things when he consistently completes those passes? Or does he throw an amazing deep ball that gives his wrs a good chance consistently?

If people want to pick Wilson's game apart, I'd personally take another angle, but that's just me.

 

[remydat]

Meh Not really IMO. Browner was locked up with him too. It's a yard off the LOS. At one point Kearse has his hand in the air and Browner is still fully engaged.

Yeah I thought Browner was actually the one that initiated contact so that Kearse could not in fact set up a pick. That's the reason why Butler could cut in front of both of them because Kearse couldn't get free of him and round a deeper in breaking route which would have made it impossible for Butler to get to the ball that quickly.

 

[run and shoot]

t was a dumb play call because of the situation. You have 3 downs to win the super bowl. You don't take unnecessary risks unless you have to which 2nd and goal is not when you have to. If you are going to lose the super bowl, lose it doing what you do best not worrying about what the other team is lined up in.

Furthermore, if you were that concerned about the goal line d then run a fake to lynch and have one of the best running qbs roll out to the outside where he can run it in, throw it only if a guy is pretty much unguarded, throw it out of the back of the end zone, or just fall down and waste the play like carroll claims he was trying to do.

it was a dumb play call because of the situation. You have 3 downs to win the super bowl. You don't take unnecessary risks unless you have to which 2nd and goal is not when you have to.

this

 

[run and shoot]

Also look at the situation.

It was 50 seconds and they chose to change to a 3 WR to spread out NE, but the Patriots stayed in a goaline package. So the subbing allowed NE to sub and that cost about 20 seconds, so they snapped around 30 seconds if I remember right.

They were down by 4 so they knew FOR SURE that they had 4 downs to get in the endzone. It was 2nd down and they were going against a run stuffing formation. And Lynch had been stopped twice already in this game on 3rd and short. So he's not nearly as sure of a thing as people think.

Now consider the time. They only had 1 timeout left. If you run on that down and don't get in. You have to burn your last time out. Now you can't run on 3rd down because you wouldn't have a way to stop the clock, you'd be scrambling to get 4th down play off.

By passing on 2nd down, you have a chance at a TD or it goes incomplete. Then its 3rd down with 1 timeout so you have run pass option left on 3rd and 4th down. Calling a pass play is actually a sound strategy if you really think about and Carroll explained that clearly.

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I agree 100% with Packer Fan - it was a great read by the corner and he jumped it perfect.

Some blame goes on Russell Wilson. Its a quick pass but he's got to watch that corner and make sure he doesn't jump it before he throws. He should have pumped and held it then thrown it out of the back of the endzone.

Also, if you are going to run a quick slant, throw it low where it can't get picked off that easy. Most teams actually throw that low on purpose. The WR expects it low so he can make the play, the corner can knock it down but very hard to pick it.

In the end, I think Carroll and Bevell should have game planned this situation and had a different play call. You want a safe play. Quick slants are dangerous. They often get tipped at the line or the WR tips the ball up or smart corners read it and jump it which is what happened. They could have ran FB in the flat or rolled out Wilson with a TE running to the back pylon. You can even play action straight back and have a receiver try to cross and you hit him at the back pylon or throw it away. This way you avoid anyone jumping the route and you avoid potential tips at the line.

u don't "pump" on a slant

 

[run and shoot]

I agree. Hindsight is 20/20, but the call wasn't terrible. Seeing it in real time, I said out loud, "there it is!" referring to the receiver getting open on the slant. The instant he broke into that slant, it looked like a TD in the making. Butler just made an incredible play.

I had the opposite view. I knew they were in trouble when they went to a no-back

 

[pseudonym]

at least it wasn't a blowout, right?

 

[JoJoBoxer]

Interesting thing here is when Lynch was asked if he was surprised he didn't get the ball, he not only answered but took the high road. He said no and when asked why not, he said because it's a team sport.

******! He should have said he was only there to not be fined.

 

[Dogstar]

Be mud, Seahawks "fans". Be very mud.

I feel kinda bad for them...

















Not.

 

[PolarBear]

Great game capped off by the dumbest play call in history. No other way to describe it. You cant tell me a jacked up Beast Mode doesn't get a yard for the TD? Even if he doesn't, he gets at least one more crack at it.

 

[run and shoot]

Great game capped off by the dumbest play call in history. No other way to describe it. You cant tell me a jacked up Beast Mode doesn't get a yard for the TD? Even if he doesn't, he gets at least one more crack at it.

the sad thing is for ppl. who didn't see the game, they will think it was the "tom brady show"

 

[run and shoot]

at least it wasn't a blowout, right?

I like "blowouts" especially when the media is pumping a particular Qb as being "the greatest" i.e. Elway, Manning etc.

 

[ijustposthere]

Let it go. Your hero isn't the QB you and the media prop him up to be. If he was good enough to put the team on his shoulders, no one would be questioning the play call.

 

[run and shoot]

Let it go. Your hero isn't the QB you and the media prop him up to be. If he was good enough to put the team on his shoulders, no one would be questioning the play call.

you have an annoying propensity for creating false scenarios. I NEVER SAID WILSON WAS MY "HERO".....you did. The media propped up Tom Brady for this SB. All the media talked about was ' how could brady beat the 'hawks "D".



anyway......


You don't like him, we get it. You try to manipulate things. It's NOT about "put the team on his shoulders" it's about the HC making responsible play-calls. Yeah Wilson DID put them in position to win.

The point to all this is a darn shotgun pass play should not have been called on the 0.5 yard line when u have Lynch. Do u get that? Read the links on the 1st page

 

[Jester]

the sad thing is for ppl. who didn't see the game, they will think it was the "tom brady show"

Tom Brady won another SB !

 

[Jester]

Passing the ball in the middle of a field that short is epic Special person mode. Those saying it was a good call because they were expecting the run are ridiculous. Personally I would have used Lynch or fake the handoff to Lynch and have Wilson run outside. If you are going to pass AT LEAST throw it away from the middle of the field.

The end result of the play AND the game show how dumb that decision was.

 

[1000ftditka!]

[video=youtube;Tqbyc2oo3q8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqbyc2oo3q8[/video]

8:20 is "the catastrophic event"..........precious!

 

[1ke]

Beast mode Beast mode Beast mode!!! LOLOLOLOL

 

[ijustposthere]

you have an annoying propensity for creating false scenarios. I NEVER SAID WILSON WAS MY "HERO".....you did. The media propped up Tom Brady for this SB. All the media talked about was ' how could brady beat the 'hawks "D".



anyway......


You don't like him, we get it. You try to manipulate things. It's NOT about "put the team on his shoulders" it's about the HC making responsible play-calls. Yeah Wilson DID put them in position to win.

The point to all this is a darn shotgun pass play should not have been called on the 0.5 yard line when u have Lynch. Do u get that? Read the links on the 1st page

I get that Wilson isn't their best player so it's better to take the ball out of his hands, and it upsets you that you can't continue on your charade about how great Wilson is.

 

[The Hawk]

You cannot blame it on one play. Seattle was up 10. Continued to pass deep as opposed to running the ball to kill the clock, while the legion of who was too banged up to stop the Pats. People salivate over that last play, but the game was lost for a number of reasons.

There was a key play that wasn't called. A Hawks receiver was tackled right in front of the official and it wasn't called. It was blatant and would have given Seattle a new set of downs with the clock running down.