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[zack54attack]

what were the payrolls of those vaunted boston teams? also, how many prospects was theo responsible for identifying, drafting, signing and bringing up?

patience has run out. ran out 100 years ago. the florida marlins have won as many world series as the cubs have. THAT should tell you something.

Glad to know Theo ran the team for 100 years.

Do you not know how rebuilding works? Or are you another clueless poster who thinks the Cubs should go out and sign every big free agent?

 

[patg006]

Look at what the farm ranking is. That's how you can gauge the drafting quality, Genius.

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The farm rankings? LOL!!!!!!!

So I guess when the Cubs had an equally ranked farm system in the early 2000's it just pumped out tons of quality players right??

I mean Cory Patterson was ranked a top 5 prospect, he must be getting ready for his Hall of Fame induction speech in a few years.

Felix Pie was ranked highly also and is probably having problems storing all his awards he has won in his legendary career.

Whew. I am glad major league baseball games are decided by farm system rankings. That is such a relief.

 

[patg006]

Or are you another clueless poster who thinks the Cubs should go out and sign every big free agent?

I guess you must be another clueless poster reacting hysterically to a comment that no one has ever made.

Not one person has ever said the Cubs should sign every big free agent.

Not once.

 

[The Bandit]

I guess you must be another clueless poster reacting hysterically to a comment that no one has ever made.

Not one person has ever said the Cubs should sign every big free agent.

Not once.

And there has been posters out of the woodwork around here claiming that every prospect in our farm is going to be a superstar. Grow up already.

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[Boobaby1]

I guess you must be another clueless poster reacting hysterically to a comment that no one has ever made.

Not one person has ever said the Cubs should sign every big free agent.

Not once.

Yeap! And is it highly possible that since the Cubs whiffed on Sanchez and Tanaka, and had used at least Tanaka money to get a bona fide bat in the middle of the line-up that the Cubs would be at least 2-1 and maybe 3-0 right now as much as Bonafacio has gotten on?

I wonder if Nelson Cruz would have helped this team? Hell, I would rather roll the dice with Lake/Schierholtz in center, Cruz and Soriano (since they are paying most of his salary anyways) at the corners, and Bonafacio at 2nd base. Surely that wouldn't have handcuffed the Cubs in any way.

Just guessing that Bonafacio, Lake/Schierholtz, Cruz, Rizzo, Soriano, Castro, Olt, and Castillo would have at least been an upgrade on paper offensively. Would also probably have taken the load off of Castro and Rizzo to be the main performers, and still been able to let Olt get his reps, and Lake get a good amount of playing time since he and Schierholtz would spell the corners when they needed a day off or used as a late game defensive move.

Never mind, I guess that is too far fetched, too expensive and unrealistic.

 

[nickofypres]

I hate seeing the Cubs forum like this.

 

[patg006]

And there has been posters out of the woodwork around here claiming that every prospect in our farm is going to be a superstar. Grow up already.

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There have been posters claiming most will be superstars. Smarten up already.

 

[The Bandit]

There have been posters claiming most will be superstars. Smarten up already.

Saying they have the potential to be superstars and saying they are going to be superstars are two completely different things.

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[diavolos]

Glad to know Theo ran the team for 100 years.

Do you not know how rebuilding works? Or are you another clueless poster who thinks the Cubs should go out and sign every big free agent?

how about just some free agents? and hey, why not make a splash like a prince fielder? what the hell, why not?

are you another clueless sheep that just wants to believe?

i think i have a realistic expectation: try to win. champions always try to win. the cubs are not even trying to win this year. or next, or the year after. they're waiting for some magical prospects to show up before they spend money. this is the team with the 6th most revenue in all of major league baseball. this years team salary is what, that of the twins, indians, and athletics?

that doesn't insult you, as a supposed cubs fan? because it's insulting to me. as a guy that spent thousands of dollars on season tickets over the years, it's highly, highly insulting.

 

[diavolos]

Yeap! And is it highly possible that since the Cubs whiffed on Sanchez and Tanaka, and had used at least Tanaka money to get a bona fide bat in the middle of the line-up that the Cubs would be at least 2-1 and maybe 3-0 right now as much as Bonafacio has gotten on?

I wonder if Nelson Cruz would have helped this team? Hell, I would rather roll the dice with Lake/Schierholtz in center, Cruz and Soriano (since they are paying most of his salary anyways) at the corners, and Bonafacio at 2nd base. Surely that wouldn't have handcuffed the Cubs in any way.

Just guessing that Bonafacio, Lake/Schierholtz, Cruz, Rizzo, Soriano, Castro, Olt, and Castillo would have at least been an upgrade on paper offensively. Would also probably have taken the load off of Castro and Rizzo to be the main performers, and still been able to let Olt get his reps, and Lake get a good amount of playing time since he and Schierholtz would spell the corners when they needed a day off or used as a late game defensive move.

Never mind, I guess that is too far fetched, too expensive and unrealistic.

dude, stop that. you're talking like a guy that wants to win. shhh.

 

[The Bandit]

how about just some free agents? and hey, why not make a splash like a prince fielder? what the hell, why not?

are you another clueless sheep that just wants to believe?

i think i have a realistic expectation: try to win. champions always try to win. the cubs are not even trying to win this year. or next, or the year after. they're waiting for some magical prospects to show up before they spend money. this is the team with the 6th most revenue in all of major league baseball. this years team salary is what, that of the twins, indians, and athletics?

that doesn't insult you, as a supposed cubs fan? because it's insulting to me. as a guy that spent thousands of dollars on season tickets over the years, it's highly, highly insulting.

Why would you sign Prince Fielder when your team is so bad it's just a waste of money, and it's a horrible contract to sign in the first place. I wanted no part of that contract.

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[diavolos]

Why would you sign Prince Fielder when your team is so bad it's just a waste of money, and it's a horrible contract to sign in the first place. I wanted no part of that contract.

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you sign prince fielder because he's a great player. he instantly gives you a legitimate run producer, making your entire lineup better. you sign prince fielder because he's got a career ops of 915. you sign prince fielder because he's missed 10 games his entire career. you sign a prince fielder because you're trying to win.

 

[The Bandit]

you sign prince fielder because he's a great player. he instantly gives you a legitimate run producer, making your entire lineup better. you sign prince fielder because he's got a career ops of 915. you sign prince fielder because he's missed 10 games his entire career. you sign a prince fielder because you're trying to win.

Yet the Tigers flipped that bad contract pretty quick. Different situations completely, however, when he is protecting the best hitter in the game and is getting traded clearly he isn't worth the contract. Plus no DH in the NL so what do you do when he breaks down and isn't playing everyday with a .915 ops?

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[Jntg4]

The Prince of Arlington, Texas, eh?

 

[diavolos]

well this is pretty much what i expected coming on here. there's like three guys with any sense. everyone else still just wants to believe. still has tons of excuses why the cubs are not competing for the best players in baseball. instead, all the sports writers and fans in chicago are jizzing over olt.

wait till next year.

 

[The Bandit]

well this is pretty much what i expected coming on here. there's like three guys with any sense. everyone else still just wants to believe. still has tons of excuses why the cubs are not competing for the best players in baseball. instead, all the sports writers and fans in chicago are jizzing over olt.

wait till next year.

We're rebuilding. There really isn't much else to say. The reality is that we're not going to be signing a Prince Fielder or Albert Pujols right now. Nobody here is jizzing about Mike Olt or saying that all the kids are gonna be superstars but there is massive potential on its way up, which hasn't really been said in any recent memory of this organization. Clearly you're just as ignorant as some here if some don't hop right on board with a torch and axe demanding wins. I don't see why it is so hard to understand that this was coming before it even happened, and why it hasn't ended yet. If rebuilds took a season then you could complain but Jesus he was brought here on a tight budget and was told to upgrade the farm at all costs. He has done exactly that, if you want to ***** and whine like Pat and Fisch then ***** about Ricketts, and Ricketts alone.

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[chibears55]

well this is pretty much what i expected coming on here. there's like three guys with any sense. everyone else still just wants to believe. still has tons of excuses why the cubs are not competing for the best players in baseball. instead, all the sports writers and fans in chicago are jizzing over olt.

wait till next year.

Yea because not everyone considers watching sports a life or death situation and wants to jump off a ledge over every bad move they make..

Pissing n moaning every day on every thread not going to change what they've done the last couple of years..

Seriously your still complaining about what they did or didnt do in 2011 off season with Fielder , it opening day of 2014 its time to move on already.

for all the questionable moves that were made and everything, they do have some good young talent on this team and in the system. .
If your truly a fan , I dont understand why you wouldn't be happy about that and root for those kids to succeed.



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[diavolos]

well, it's two problems vick.

one, epstein had tons of money to spend in boston. tons. great, they brought in dustin pedroia, kevin youkilis and some other players. and i'm sure theo was smart about picking the right guys up. but remember, these were teams with massive free agent spending also. only the yankees spend more.

two you mention ricketts. if ricketts isn't going to spend money, they're never going to win. so far, ricketts has spent oakland athletics money. for a team that's in the third largest city in the united states. where if they were even a .500 team, would be sold out every game. when the cubs are winning, they have boston red sox type of revenue.

there is absolutely no reason to not spend money, except for cheap ownership. you can have the greatest gm ever, but without money he's never going to win. hello billy beane. you can sit here and talk about rebuilding this or rebuilding that. at the end of the day, they can avoid sucking, re-stock the farm system, and try to win. TRY TO WIN, vicki.

a team that hasn't won in over 100 years is not trying to win.

but hey, there's always next year.

 

[The Bandit]

well, it's two problems vicki.

one, epstein had tons of money to spend in boston. tons. great, they brought in dustin pedroia, kevin youkilis and some other players. and i'm sure theo was smart about picking the right guys up. but remember, these were teams with massive free agent spending also. only the yankees spend more.

two you mention ricketts. if ricketts isn't going to spend money, they're never going to win. so far, ricketts has spent oakland athletics money. for a team that's in the third largest city in the united states. where if they were even a .500 team, would be sold out every game. when the cubs are winning, they have boston red sox type of revenue.

there is absolutely no reason to not spend money, except for cheap ownership. you can have the greatest gm ever, but without money he's never going to win. hello billy beane. you can sit here and talk about rebuilding this or rebuilding that. at the end of the day, they can avoid sucking, re-stock the farm system, and try to win. TRY TO WIN, vicki.

a team that hasn't won in over 100 years is not trying to win.

but hey, there's always next year.

Vicki? Boy we're already not getting along. To put it in simple terminology for you, spending big is not going to happen at this juncture. Plain and simple. They are a revenue stream and a big market, yes, but that doesn't change the facts that have been portrayed since Ricketts took over the team. Simply put, it's not gonna go the way you want it to, so you can either ***** and whine like a school girl, or just wait and see. I'm 21 you think I give two shits about the last 100 years?

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[diavolos]

oh sorry. haven't had my glasses at work the last couple days. vick it is!