Poles 0% in 3rd and 4th rounds, 20% in 5th, 0% 6th and 7th rounds

[msadows]

On paper poles killed this last draft until the 3rd. Then he went poles. Like I said I’m out. He sucks. And if they **** up CW I’m done with his team until they figure out the problem is George,

I could have "killed" a draft when rome odunze and caleb williams are on the board. Those are two no brain picks who's floor at minimum is a solid/good NFL player.

I have no problem firing poles but we can do much worse than him(See emery). And the talks of having an OC who's been on the job for 2-3 years(ben johnson, Joe brady) hiring their own GM is the dumbest shit ever and I fully expect an idiot franchise like this to do that.

 

[dennehy]

Dexter has basically the same amount of pressures and a half sack more than carter. He's now also the main guy double teamed on this team. All while playing 180 less snaps than carter.

Thats average to you? He's already one of the better DT pass rushers in the NFL. He needs to work on his run stopping, but that can also be fixed by adding another DT next to him besides billings.


You guys are also stupid as most of these guys are 2-3 years into the league. They are not even close to their talent peak and could develop into very good players.

Just watch him play. He's bad against the run, for one thing, and probably a little above average against the pass. That is average. Just watch Carter play. He's in the backfield all the time. He blows up his gap routinely, just like in college. Dexter has been much less effective since Billiings went out, and the Bears' interior run defense has been very bad.

Also why do you think he's played 180 less snaps? Because the Bears are so loaded at DT?

Us guys are stupid? I think the stupid person is the one who says that a player is good and then points to the idea that they "could develop into very good players" as proof of that. Of course he will get batter, so will most other young players.

 

[JGONBORICUA14]

Doug Kramer for where he was drafted is a "hit" to me

 

[PhilEBuster]

#firepudgepoles . . . we're goin' viral . . .

 

[SugarWalls]

About what?

Are you asking me to explain reality to you? I’ll pass

 

[SugarWalls]

Doug Kramer for where he was drafted is a "hit" to me

Yes it was a massive success to cut the FB that could actually carry the ball in place for a back up center turned FB that doesn’t know to alert refs of his presence

 

[jive]

Yes it was a massive success to cut the FB that could actually carry the ball in place for a back up center turned FB that doesn’t know to alert refs of his presence

Kramer literally cost us 2 TDs

 

[BornAnAngryBearsFan]

George, who was so excited to get him. I guess he the first domino in this chain

Once again, this is proof that he (George) needs to be FORCIBLY removed from any football decisions.

Emery, Trestman, Pace, over the hill John Fox, Nagy, and now Eberflus. He's fucked up just about all hirings, except Poles. And Poles now looks like crap.

At some point he has to realize "I don't know what I'm doing, and I'm VERY bad at what I do daily."

 

[SugarWalls]

Maybe you guys should see what all the other top DT's like dexter lawrence did their first few years in the league.

Players dont develop in one year. JFC

The late round picks are poor but there is a good chance all the guys he drafted in the 1st/2nd could end up very good players. Jaylon Johnson wasnt an all pro after 2 years.

Yes Gervon is definitely on the path to becoming a top 5 d lineman

 

[SugarWalls]

Kramer literally cost us 2 TDs

Yeah that’s what I was getting at

 

[oso4lyf]

Very few franchises in the NFL can do what the Bears continually do.

Downgrading each coaching and GM position with someone worse. Goes to show just how inept George is. Not a drop of blood in his body knows ANYTHING about running an NFL franchise.

 

[Nelly]

I distinctly remember telling all the rabid "Fire Pace" guys that it can easily get worse than Pace, so be careful what you wish for. I don't know if I would say Poles is "easily worse" than Pace but definitely worse. If Pace didn't **** up on the Trubisky pick then we would have been one of the best teams in the league, if not the best.

I think people might lose track of some pretty bad deals behind the obviously really bad deals. For example, if not for the Claypool trade and super free agent bust that Nate Davis, the Tremaine Edmunds deal on the heels of the Roquan Smith deal is looking really bad. Roquan is obviously a much better all-around linebacker than Edmunds but you can still make a strong argument for trading away Roquan cause you don't want to pay an off-ball linebacker that kind of money, especially when you can sign TJ Edwards and watch him be one of the better linebackers in the NFL at the same spot. But the Edmunds deal. $18 mil AAV to fill a specific role in a system for a coach who's no longer here. Edmunds might be the softest linebacker in the league especially relative to his size and speed. He had a great year in Buffalo who happily let him go and haven't missed a beat without him while we're saddled with him for one more year.

Let's not forget the attempted Larry Ogunjobi big money deal as his first big free agent signing. He dodged a bullet there, not that Ogunjobi is bad but certainly wasn't worth the money Poles was offering. His resume is littered with net negative moves, some very terrible moves without many homeruns to offset. Relative to their contracts, Edwards and Billings could be the only two moves you could consider as great moves. You might call the Kyler Gordon pick a great pick. Otherwise, every other move short of the Carolina trade would be somewhere between just plain decent to downright terrible, with more tilting toward net negative/bad.

 

[jive]

Yeah that’s what I was getting at

I think I'd rather have him be good at guard or center since we suck at those positions.
Since he can't beat out the scrubs we have there, he must really suck. But, Blasingame can't be an emergency backup lineman.

 

[SugarWalls]

I think I'd rather have him be good at guard or center since we suck at those positions.
Since he can't beat out the scrubs we have there, he must really suck. But, Blasingame can't be an emergency backup lineman.

The bears have not been good at getting short yards, and despite all the OL injuries it doesn’t appear Kramer is capable of stepping in at even a back up level quality. He has been made to play FB imo because he isn’t good enough to play OL, and the bears need extra power for the short run game.

If the bears simply kept blasinghame he doesn’t make those same **** ups that Kramer does. Even though he can’t play OL, he’s a fine FB and better than Kramer at that position. This is another roster blunder

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Are you asking me to explain reality to you? I’ll pass

I have no clue what you’re even talking about but keep being a little ***** if you want.

 

[SugarWalls]

I have no clue what you’re even talking about but keep being a little ***** if you want.

You are so sensitive

 

[BNB]

GMs should have some sort of stats.

Like percentage of their picks that wound up being an all-pro or pro bowler.

Percentage of their picks that started a game (or certain # of games)

Average tenure of player they drafted... both with the team that drafted them and overall time in the league.

It would be fascinating to see.

 

[gordogordon]

Fire

I think his free agent signings have been just as bad. T.J. Edwards is just about the only one worth a shit.

Nate Davis, Tremaine Edmunds, Lucas Patrick, Coleman Shelton, D-Walk, etc, etc...

King Poles is bad.

Fire Poles and Warren.

 

[jive]

To be fair to Poles, he has done a good job in the first 2 rounds. However, due to his failures in the later rounds, he still doesn't fare better than his predecessors.

In terms of first 2 rounds, Poles is 7/8 for 87.5% with his whiff being the trade for Claypool. However in terms of all picks he's 8 for 26 for 30%.
Pace was 4 for 6 in his first 3 seasons for 67% in the first 2 rounds, and overall 8 for 20 at 40%
Emery was 3 for 6 batting 500 in the first 2 rounds, and 4 for 20 at 20%
Angelo was 3 for 6 as well in rounds 1-2, and 8 out of 27 for 30%

Quality of picks is where you see the difference.
Poles has had 2 of his picks make the all rookie team to give him a rate of 8%. He has no all pro/pro bowl players. He also has a season that isn't yet finished.
Pace from his first 3 has 5 all rookies, 5 pro bowlers, and 2 all pros giving him rates of 25%, 25%, and 10%
Emery has 2 all rookies, 4 pro bowlers, and 2 all pros for rates of 10%, 20%, and 10%
Jerry Angelo in his first 3 has only one all rookie, but he was offensive RoY. He has 2 Pro Bowlers and 2 all pros for rates of 4%, 7% and 7%

 

[DaaBears]

To be fair to Poles, he has done a good job in the first 2 rounds. However, due to his failures in the later rounds, he still doesn't fare better than his predecessors.

In terms of first 2 rounds, Poles is 7/8 for 87.5% with his whiff being the trade for Claypool. However in terms of all picks he's 8 for 26 for 30%.
Pace was 4 for 6 in his first 3 seasons for 67% in the first 2 rounds, and overall 8 for 20 at 40%
Emery was 3 for 6 batting 500 in the first 2 rounds, and 4 for 20 at 20%
Angelo was 3 for 6 as well in rounds 1-2, and 8 out of 27 for 30%

Quality of picks is where you see the difference.
Poles has had 2 of his picks make the all rookie team to give him a rate of 8%. He has no all pro/pro bowl players. He also has a season that isn't yet finished.
Pace from his first 3 has 5 all rookies, 5 pro bowlers, and 2 all pros giving him rates of 25%, 25%, and 10%
Emery has 2 all rookies, 4 pro bowlers, and 2 all pros for rates of 10%, 20%, and 10%
Jerry Angelo in his first 3 has only one all rookie, but he was offensive RoY. He has 2 Pro Bowlers and 2 all pros for rates of 4%, 7% and 7%

I think another factor there though is where you are picking. Like back in the day the Bears rarely had a top 5 or 10 pick. I remember when they did, they blew it on Benson, but he was still a player. Of late, it seems like the Bears consistently have great picks. So if you suck, you get minimally serviceable players, but you should be getting superstars.