Quenneville named finalist for Jack Adams Trophy

[Pez68]

I think coaching is pretty equal across the board, except for obvious cases where the results on the ice are much higher than the sum of the parts on paper. There's really only a few things you can judge most coaches on.</p>


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1) Special teams</p>


2) Player allocation</p>


3) Matchups</p>


4) How well the system fits the personnel</p>


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In most cases, it's very difficult to tell most coaches apart. Every coach has weaknesses in some aspect of coaching.</p>


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My issue with Q is, why did it take him so long to figure out things that were BLATANTLY obvious to most knowledgeable fans? The roster isn't much different the last two years. Major difference is...they finally scrapped that horseshit PK system they were trying, and they finally have guys playing where they SHOULD be playing. Kruger is not a second line center. Frolik is not a shutdown forward. Stalberg is best suited for a third line role.Kane is not a center. Still have a huge issue with Sharp not being the #2 center, but at least most of the common sense shit from last season has been sorted out.</p>

 

[Ton]

I think Q's issue always has been slot allocation. This year he's done a much better job in that area.</p>


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You mentioned a good portion of miscues but don't forget Carcillo on the top two lines (lol) and Brunette on the top two lines. Not to mention his unhealthy addiction to playing Matt Walker.</p>

 

[BigPete]

Who is going to change the title of this thread to "Q wins Jack Ass award"?

 

[winos5]

How funny would it be if he wins only to get fired for failing in the playoffs (again)?</p>

 

[BigPete]

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How funny would it be if he wins only to get fired for failing in the playoffs (again)?</p>
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Define "funny"....</p>

 

[LordKOTL]

Pete:  Funny like watching a chicken truck crash into your house.  Sure, it's horrible, but you can't help but laugh...</p>


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Kinda like how we've played against Detroit the past 3 games.</p>

 

[BigPete]

So...queue the Benny Hill theme song?</p>

 

[LordKOTL]

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So...queue the Benny Hill theme song?</p>
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I might just do that for game 5.  I'm really hoping our boys pull it togewther, but I'm not getting that vibe.  Might as well get a macabre laugh out of it then head for the ledge.</p>

 

[Ton]

I really have no confidence in the Blackhawks pulling out in this series, but stranger things have happened.</p>


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As it stands, they are beat. Unless Detroit takes them lightly (they know better than that) in game 5 and game 6 and the Hawks put together a head of steam momentum-wise, they are done. Team psychiatrists are going to have a busy summer ahead of them because the entire team got mindfucked.</p>


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I don't think I'm ready to say "axe Q" just yet. To me, that sounds just about as effective as the Hawks saying "lets trade Toews, he played like shit."</p>

 

[winos5]

Funny in a gallows humor sort of way.  </p>

 

[supraman]

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I really have no confidence in the Blackhawks pulling out in this series, but stranger things have happened.</p>


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As it stands, they are beat. Unless Detroit takes them lightly (they know better than that) in game 5 and game 6 and the Hawks put together a head of steam momentum-wise, they are done. Team psychiatrists are going to have a busy summer ahead of them because the entire team got mindfucked.</p>


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I don't think I'm ready to say "axe Q" just yet. To me, that sounds just about as effective as the Hawks saying "lets trade Toews, he played like shit."</p>
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Whoever is in charge of the PP needs to be axed. Or drawn and quartered.....either or</p>

 

[Ton]

I'm more in the camp that the players just need to execute on the PP. They look nervous and unconfident, not sure what a coach can do. He's tried everything on the PP and nothing clicks. Maybe a new philosophy breathes some life into the powerplay for a brief period... IE: Kompon, beginning of the season dominance on the PP. But in the long haul this is an issue on the players.</p>


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Fire the team psychiatrist! lol</p>

 

[supraman]

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I'm more in the camp that the players just need to execute on the PP. They look nervous and unconfident, not sure what a coach can do. He's tried everything on the PP and nothing clicks. Maybe a new philosophy breathes some life into the powerplay for a brief period... IE: Kompon, beginning of the season dominance on the PP. But in the long haul this is an issue on the players.</p>


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Fire the team psychiatrist! lol</p>
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For 3 years our PP hasn't worked and you think it is the players failing to execute. The play we run on the PP is terrible. That isn't a player problem that is a coach problem. If our PP suddenly just went cold yeah okay the players are fucking up but it has been crap for 3 years. That's a helluva cold streak</p>

 

[Ton]

Our PP has never been top 10 with Kane, Toews, Keith, and Sharp around.... closest they ever came to a top 10 PP unit was 08-09 when Havlat was on the team and we were knocked out in the 3rd round by Detroit. It was ranked 12th, Q was coaching. Even when Savard coached, the PP still sucked, and he was suppose to be the PP specialist.</p>


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Firing Q isn't going to fix the fact that the players can't execute anything. It just looks like they are too concerned with making the perfect pass, play, etc.. etc.. so much pressure on themselves when they are up a man. It's been like this forever, and probably won't change until they change some of the players or the culture is more relaxed.</p>

 

[LordKOTL]

Supra, I think you and Ton are both correct.  Part of the issue is yeah, whoever's running it cannot adapt to what's working.  Last night Leddy was the ONLY player able to consistantly gain the zone, yet I can't remember him once been given the puck for a PP breakout.  The failure of the coaches to see and capitalize on this should result in a blowtorching of their testicles.</p>


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However, There's a lot to be said about the players' lack of execution.  No amount of coaching or system will fix the issue if Sharp, Hossa, Toews, Kane, or Keith refuse to take one-timers and look for the *perfect* pass or shot rather than throw a decent shot on net and hope for a garbage goal.</p>

 

[Ton]

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Supra, I think you and Ton are both correct.  Part of the issue is yeah, whoever's running it cannot adapt to what's working.  Last night Leddy was the ONLY player able to consistantly gain the zone, yet I can't remember him once been given the puck for a PP breakout.  The failure of the coaches to see and capitalize on this should result in a blowtorching of their testicles.</p>


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However, There's a lot to be said about the players' lack of execution.  No amount of coaching or system will fix the issue if Sharp, Hossa, Toews, Kane, or Keith refuse to take one-timers and look for the *perfect* pass or shot rather than throw a decent shot on net and hope for a garbage goal.</p>
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Quite honestly, this lack of execution has crept into their 5-on-5 play. Howard is in their heads, they keep looking for the perfect play to finish instead of getting bodies in front of the net and firing the puck... and when they do execute that perfect pass, they fire it right into his chest. The mindset is just completely pressure filled, gripping their sticks too tightly... that statement was never so true.</p>


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It's been really frustrating to watch the past couple games, combined with the forced hail mary passes, poor ice time distribution, whining, and poor line matching, its the entire team — coaches and players — that have put themselves in this situation.</p>


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I keep saying that I hope they figure it out, but now it's do or die... they are running on their last life line. My confidence is just about running on empty, too.</p>

 

[LordKOTL]

You couldn't be more right.  Last night by bro and I commented so much that they need to not hit howard's crest, they need to go high blocker since his glove is on fire, and if they are going to put it low and into the pads get some mustard on it.</p>


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I seem to recall Bobby Hull making similar comments last year about shot selection.</p>

 

[supraman]

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Our PP has never been top 10 with Kane, Toews, Keith, and Sharp around.... closest they ever came to a top 10 PP unit was 08-09 when Havlat was on the team and we were knocked out in the 3rd round by Detroit. It was ranked 12th, Q was coaching. Even when Savard coached, the PP still sucked, and he was suppose to be the PP specialist.</p>


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Firing Q isn't going to fix the fact that the players can't execute anything. It just looks like they are too concerned with making the perfect pass, play, etc.. etc.. so much pressure on themselves when they are up a man. It's been like this forever, and probably won't change until they change some of the players or the culture is more relaxed.</p>
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And who was running it? I'm guessing an assistant, one of Savard's assistants. 12th is top half of the league. With the talent we have it should be impossible to be worse than 15th. We are loaded and can't hit the top half of the league in PP.</p>


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When Savard coached he had rookies, he had to mold the team still, he never got his chance to really make an imprint on the team so using his tenure is a weak example.</p>


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Why are they too concerned with the perfect play? Maybe the coaches are telling them to set it up.</p>


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I simply cannot fathom that you can blame anything but coaches for 3 years of suck. You even said it the PP got better for awhile when Kompon made some changes, ever think after awhile they just went back to the same ole same ole due to the coaches telling them to? If anything Kompon's success should be the evidence you need to know that it is a coaching issue.</p>

 

[Ton]

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And who was running it? I'm guessing an assistant, one of Savard's assistants. 12th is top half of the league. With the talent we have it should be impossible to be worse than 15th. We are loaded and can't hit the top half of the league in PP.</p>


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When Savard coached he had rookies, he had to mold the team still, he never got his chance to really make an imprint on the team so using his tenure is a weak example.</p>


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Why are they too concerned with the perfect play? Maybe the coaches are telling them to set it up.</p>


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I simply cannot fathom that you can blame anything but coaches for 3 years of suck. You even said it the PP got better for awhile when Kompon made some changes, ever think after awhile they just went back to the same ole same ole due to the coaches telling them to? If anything Kompon's success should be the evidence you need to know that it is a coaching issue.</p>
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I don't see it that way. Why can't the players be at fault for letting bad habits creep back into their game? Maybe they lose a bit of confidence and the pressure starts to build? Coaching doesn't fix that. Playing devils advocate but it's probably somewhere in between. It doesn't have to be one way or the other.</p>

 

[BigPete]

RE: the PP</p>


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I used to think, "Why aren't they listening to the coach?"  Then I realized, they are listening to the coach and that is the problem.</p>