Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame

[BearbaFett]

White's contract includes no cap relief. All his $ is guaranteed. He might not make the final roster but he's not getting cut until late in training camp, if at all.

Meredith can be tendered as an RFA. The Bears can gamble if they want and give him a lower tender, but if they give him a second round tender he'll make about $3mil. And if someone wants to sign him the Bears will get a 2nd round pick in 19, which makes it unlikely. Good deal for the Bears.

good info...thanks

 

[xer0h0ur]

So 2nd receiver the Bears develop and let walk? That wouldn't exactly be inspiring confidence in your GM's ability to retain home grown talent in free agency.

 

[BearbaFett]

So 2nd receiver the Bears develop and let walk? That wouldn't exactly be inspiring confidence in your GM's ability to retain home grown talent in free agency.

ehhh...apples and oranges. alshon didnt wanna be here.

with meredith, there’s the questions about scheme fit or injury recovery...possibly both.

 

[dennehy]

The only way Meredith walks is if his knee is really fucked, and it doesn't seem that it is. Him being an RFA, essentially the Bears getting him on a pretty cheap one year deal, is the best possible scenario. A low investment year where they can see how he's recovered and how he fits into Nagy's scheme.

 

[xer0h0ur]

ehhh...apples and oranges. alshon didnt wanna be here.

with meredith, there’s the questions about scheme fit or injury recovery...possibly both.

We also aren't talking about a receiver that is going to be earning a lot of money either in Meredith. Give him a prove it deal. BTW that narrative changes a lot too if Pace fails to re-sign our cornerbacks. All three starting corners are due contracts.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Make a couple strong moves at WR and CB to fill starting spots.

1(8) OG Quenton Nelson

*Trade: 2(39) dropping to 2(46) nets you a 4th round pick and maybe a 7th. That gives you another swing at a need position.

2(46) OLB Marvell Frazier

4. WR Daeseasn Hamilton

4. OLB Devin Bellamy

4. OT Anthony Parker

5. CB

6. NT

7. TE

Bears would do good to drive up the feelings on Mayfield and Jackson. I'm in favor of moving back in the first round, and getting more picks. The better people feel about the QBs, the better it is for the Bears. Also, I want no one named Bellamy on the roster next year.

* But for some reason, you never respond to me. So I'm just wasting data.

 

[BearbaFett]

We also aren't talking about a receiver that is going to be earning a lot of money either in Meredith. Give him a prove it deal. BTW that narrative changes a lot too if Pace fails to re-sign our cornerbacks. All three starting corners are due contracts.

indeed...re-signing fuller and callahan are priority. holding out hope that prince can be upgraded to malcolm butler or trumaine johnson.

 

[dennehy]

indeed...re-signing fuller and callahan are priority. holding out hope that prince can be upgraded to malcolm butler or trumaine johnson.

They aren't going to invest $50mil+ guaranteed in one position.

 

[BearbaFett]

They aren't going to invest $50mil+ guaranteed in one position.

likeliness that fuller/prince/callahan all get re-signed?

whats your feel on what we do at CB?

 

[dennehy]

likeliness that fuller/prince/callahan all get re-signed?

whats your feel on what we do at CB?

As I said before, as an RFA Callahan can be tendered. That will cost $2-3m depending on the level of tender, and it will be a one year deal.

I'd suspect Fuller will cost around $20m in guaranteed money over a 4 year $45m deal or so. Amukamara it depends on what he costs. I'd say maybe 3 years, $20m, 8 gtd - he didn't do anything this year to really improve his value. He's still a solid cover corner who doesn't get turnovers and is a health risk. If he gets too expensive there are other options like Dontae Johnson, EJ Gaines, a few others.

Malcolm Butler is going to get a very big deal, probably close to $30m guaranteed.

 

[xer0h0ur]

They aren't going to invest $50mil+ guaranteed in one position.

Don't confuse the amounts of money committed over the length of a contract with how much cap space is being used on them for the 2018 season. The Bears could very well pay all three of our starting corners and still have a lot of cap space left over.

 

[dennehy]

Don't confuse the amounts of money committed over the length of a contract with how much cap space is being used on them for the 2018 season. The Bears could very well pay all three of our starting corners and still have a lot of cap space left over.

I'm not confusing anything, I'm responding to his idea that they sign Malcolm Butler along with Fuller.

 

[xer0h0ur]

I'm not confusing anything, I'm responding to his idea that they sign Malcolm Butler along with Fuller.

Oh that was a mis-read on my part.

 

[iffybiz]

I wonder of those who wish Nelson taken at 8, what they expect the results to be? Does he lift the offense in a significant way and if so, what way?
Saying he’ll be a great guard for a number of years frankly doesn’t matter that much. You can find good guards later in the draft or FA. How does a great guard matter over a good one?


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[xer0h0ur]

I wonder of those who wish Nelson taken at 8, what they expect the results to be? Does he lift the offense in a significant way and if so, what way?
Saying he’ll be a great guard for a number of years frankly doesn’t matter that much. You can find good guards later in the draft or FA. How does a great guard matter over a good one?


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If you can't understand the value of linemen that don't allow much pressure at their quarterback in the form of hurries, hits and sacks then really there is no point going further. Mind you that is while completely ignoring the fact a guy like Nelson is a dominant run blocker too.

 

[rawdawg]

If you can't understand the value of linemen that don't allow much pressure at their quarterback in the form of hurries, hits and sacks then really there is no point going further. Mind you that is while completely ignoring the fact a guy like Nelson is a dominant run blocker too.

Obviously, if all else was equal sure you take Nelson because he's an amazing prospect. But you have to take into accounts all the factors with a Nelson pick.

1. Like was said, he's a guard. A guard isn't going to make or break any NFL offense. Hell, I'm sitting here watching Patrick Omameh starting in the AFC championship game.
2. The Bears already have a pair of guards that don't allow much pressure and are good run blockers. Granted you'd save money cutting Sitton, but you're going to use about half of that on the 8th pick.
3. If you create a need for a starting guard, that's another need you're not drafting early.

 

[xer0h0ur]

The need is already there. I don't know how much we can keep counting on Long anymore with all of the mounting injuries and he's been getting paid a lot of money to flop because of it. Sitton has earned his money but he's getting up there in age and is only under contract one more season. Getting younger at guard and picking up a stud as insurance against losing Long or Sitton is a fantastic move to me. So a situation where you see having 3 good guards can in the blink of an eye turn into having none. Not drafting Nelson, losing Long to injury and Sitton not being re-signed because Pace doesn't see it as representing value anymore.

 

[WindyCity]

Bears would do good to drive up the feelings on Mayfield and Jackson. I'm in favor of moving back in the first round, and getting more picks. The better people feel about the QBs, the better it is for the Bears. Also, I want no one named Bellamy on the roster next year.

* But for some reason, you never respond to me. So I'm just wasting data.

I think that it depends on how many elite prospects you see in the draft.

If you take down in the 1st you can easily trade out of the really clean talent. That is why the offer needs to be strong.

 

[PeterMbangala]

I wonder of those who wish Nelson taken at 8, what they expect the results to be? Does he lift the offense in a significant way and if so, what way?
Saying he’ll be a great guard for a number of years frankly doesn’t matter that much. You can find good guards later in the draft or FA. How does a great guard matter over a good one?


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I don’t think there’ll be a huge benefit in his rookie season. I’d say rookie Nelson is probably quite close to Sitton at this point - obviously very different skill sets. It would solidify the position and give you depth.

If you take Nelson, you’re hoping that’s your guard for the next ten years and that he’s a perennial All Pro. People tell me he’s the cleanest prospect at the position since Martin. I’m OK with that particularly given the question marks that we still have over our three Pace first rounders: White, bust; Floyd/Trubisky, good but can they be great?

I do think there’s a BIG difference between a good and a great guard.

 

[Washington]

well the situation is one is under contract and one isn’t.

if pace gives meredith his walking papers and replaces him with, say paul richardson or albert wilson...would you be ok with that?

Meredith is an RFA and can be tendered. They need to tender Meredith AND sign others.