Quintana Is NOT The Answer

[nickofypres]

Exactly. Who gives a shit that Floyd has an xERA that's good? Not once has he gotten his real ERA close to that.

ERA is such a poor tool to judge a pitcher. An ERA will raise a lot faster than it'll fall, not to mention that your ERA depends on whether something is a hit or an error if it leads to a run being scored, which is a call made by another human being.

ERA+, xFIP, Siera, BABIP, are much better judges for a pitcher.

He just doesn't win games like we'd like. I'm fine with him as a 4 or 5. But I'd take the guy who wins games or gives the the Sox a good chance to win over the one that hasn't won but has a good projected ERA.

Ah, the old, "I'd rather have a guy who is 22-10 with a 5.00 than a guy whos 8-14 with a 2.45 ERA".

Wins is another useless statistic, as long as my pitcher can keep me in the game start after start, I'll take it.

 

[TheChicagoFan]

ERA is such a poor tool to judge a pitcher. An ERA will raise a lot faster than it'll fall, not to mention that your ERA depends on whether something is a hit or an error if it leads to a run being scored, which is a call made by another human being.

ERA+, xFIP, Siera, BABIP, are much better judges for a pitcher.




Ah, the old, "I'd rather have a guy who is 22-10 with a 5.00 than a guy whos 8-14 with a 2.45 ERA".

Wins is another useless statistic, as long as my pitcher can keep me in the game start after start, I'll take it.

Oh I agree. BABIP is mainly a test to see if the pitcher has been lucky or unlucky though. But otherwise those stats are way better.

I'm a hater of Wins as well. My point was that if the pitcher keeps them in the game, that's good enough for me.

I'm saying I'd rather have a guy who is 15-7 with a 4.50 ERA than the guy who has a 11-12 record and 5.50 ERA.

 

[DewsSox79]

ERA is such a poor tool to judge a pitcher. An ERA will raise a lot faster than it'll fall, not to mention that your ERA depends on whether something is a hit or an error if it leads to a run being scored, which is a call made by another human being.

ERA+, xFIP, Siera, BABIP, are much better judges for a pitcher.




Ah, the old, "I'd rather have a guy who is 22-10 with a 5.00 than a guy whos 8-14 with a 2.45 ERA".

Wins is another useless statistic, as long as my pitcher can keep me in the game start after start, I'll take it.

yeah well floyd isnt 8-14 with a 2.45 era. il take high BABIPs all day long over thowing cookies to everyone.


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[Capt. Serious]

901 at it once again making excuses for Floyd.

 

[nickofypres]

:dunno:

Sorry I use logic.

 

[DewsSox79]

ERA is such a poor tool to judge a pitcher. An ERA will raise a lot faster than it'll fall, not to mention that your ERA depends on whether something is a hit or an error if it leads to a run being scored, which is a call made by another human being.

ERA+, xFIP, Siera, BABIP, are much better judges for a pitcher.




Ah, the old, "I'd rather have a guy who is 22-10 with a 5.00 than a guy whos 8-14 with a 2.45 ERA".

Wins is another useless statistic, as long as my pitcher can keep me in the game start after start, I'll take it.

xFIP is useless. 100% useless. BABIP is fine, but dont let that fool you as well since there have been a number of soft tossers that were very successful with high BABIPs. ERA+ is ok too.

But to say that quintana shouldnt be the 5th starter because of metrics and projections is rather stupid. Right now Floyd is bad, real bad. How do I know? By watching the ball leave the yard before the sox have a chance to bat over and over again. This is happening, to say he will get better due to metrics is a bit stupid. he is what he is right now, and thats bad. Lets stop with the excuses.

 

[GaelicSoxFan]

:dunno:

Sorry I use logic.

The Bill James Handbook doesn't count as logic. Trusting what your eyes see in a player counts.

 

[Capt. Serious]

I trust Quintana over a guy serving up batting practice.

 

[nickofypres]

Floyd has a career ERA+ of 105 with the White Sox but zomg he suxks even though thats above average!!!1

 

[nickofypres]

xFIP is useless. 100% useless. BABIP is fine, but dont let that fool you as well since there have been a number of soft tossers that were very successful with high BABIPs. ERA+ is ok too.

Hey, guy, if you don't like them, that's cool.

But to say that quintana shouldnt be the 5th starter because of metrics and projections is rather stupid.

Never said he shouldn't. Don't put words in my mouth.

Right now Floyd is bad, real bad. How do I know? By watching the ball leave the yard before the sox have a chance to bat over and over again. This is happening, to say he will get better due to metrics is a bit stupid. he is what he is right now, and thats bad. Lets stop with the excuses.

Floyd has good starts, Floyd has bad starts. He's streaky.

His first 7 starts were mostly great. His last 5 we're mostly crap.

Floyd has a track record of being boss in June and July. If August first rolls around and he still has an ERA of 6 (not that ERA matters), then I'll admit I'm wrong, and join your side.

 

[DewsSox79]

:dunno:

Sorry I use logic.

Last 5 games:

41 hits
30 ER
10 Meatballs
10.42 ERA
OPS 1.116

its all unlucky right? metrics show he will get better right? cmon now. lets be real.

 

[nickofypres]

The Bill James Handbook doesn't count as logic. Trusting what your eyes see in a player counts.

Let me guess, you think grindyness is a stat too right?

 

[nickofypres]

Last 5 games:

41 hits
30 ER
10 Meatballs
10.42 ERA
OPS 1.116

its all unlucky right? metrics show he will get better right? cmon now. lets be real.

He also has a .388 BABIP in those last 5 starts but, ZOMG GUYS, HE'S SUCKS AND HAD AIDS!!!1

Come on Dews, you're a lot better than this.

 

[GaelicSoxFan]

Here's the scouting report on Floyd: Lay off the stuff that's just out of the strike zone and eventually he'll throw a fat one.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Here's the scouting report on Floyd: Lay off the stuff that's just out of the strike zone and eventually he'll throw a fat one.

Ready..

 

[nickofypres]

:andruw:

You guys sound like Score callers.

 

[GaelicSoxFan]

Let me guess, you think grindyness is a stat too right?

No, I'm not a "FIRE AND PAYSHUN!" guy. I just don't need a stat sheet to tell me what I already know.

 

[DewsSox79]

Let me guess, you think grindyness is a stat too right?

trying to misdirect from his original post much?

what his eyes see dont lie right now. his actual stats dont lie right now. xFIP for 1 is not known to be true which again as I explained to CO is not considered a stat. There used to be a debate with Randy Wells last year in the cubs forum, and xFIP was used in his defense that randy wells is good, how did that work out? there isnt one metric that is reliable for projections only past stats and trends can one go by. It is very easy to take a shitty player and cherry pick some metrics to make you think you won an arguement.

 

[Capt. Serious]

:andruw:

You guys sound like Score callers.

How so? Floyd is Javy Vazquez Jr..great stuff, two cent brain.

 

[DewsSox79]

:andruw:

You guys sound like Score callers.

ok bernstein.