Rabbi supports ground zero mosque

[Kerfuffle]

Hopefully the next terrorist attack takes someone you love away from you. Then let's see if some of you continue to champion your cause to build a trophy to those who killed your loved ones.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]Hopefully the next terrorist attack takes someone you love away from you. Then let's see if some of you continue to champion your cause to build a trophy to those who killed your loved ones.[/quote]



Oh you're so classy... **** off. This comment makes you just as bad as the terrorists you're crying about.

 

[noon]

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]Hopefully the next terrorist attack takes someone you love away from you. Then let's see if some of you continue to champion your cause to build a trophy to those who killed your loved ones.[/quote]



Your pain, which is wholly understandable, is blocking your ability to discuss this rationally. If you can't see that this is in no way, shape or form anything even close to resembling a "trophy" to the terrorists, your brain is another victim of the attacks for which I am truly sorry. You refuse to separate the terrorists who perpetrated 9/11 from all Muslims generally. That is patently absurd. Go back and answer my questions in my previous post.

 

[puckjim]

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]Hopefully the next terrorist attack takes someone you love away from you. Then let's see if some of you continue to champion your cause to build a trophy to those who killed your loved ones.[/quote]



Typical dumbfuck response from someone that realizes their argument doesn't hold water.



One of the most offensive responses ever at this site.



No surprise that it came from you.

 

[Pez68]

[quote name="roshinaya"]



Probably quite a few, but would these bombings have occurred without a foreign military presence in the region? They are after all prepared to die for a cause they believe in, sound familiar? There are no winners in a war, only losers.[/quote]



The world is not this peaceful utopia that you make it out to be... I hate to break it to you. The Middle East has been fighting over religion for CENTURIES. It has absolutely nothing to do with the U.S.'s "foreign, military presence" there. I can't believe you are actually fucking making excuses for terrorist action, or are this naive. The United States is a major target of Muslim extremist attacks, mostly because we have been THE symbol of modernized society for decades. We are also extremly open to immigrants, and they're pissed off so many Muslims are living happily in our country... We are also a huge Christian nation, which, happens to be the extremists main enemy. Sure, our military presence in the middle east doesn't help, but you don't see them targetting Russia, do you? You know, the country that invaded and occupied Afghanistan for a decade, slaughtering innocent civilians that had nothing more than rocks to defend themselves with? Are you friends with many Russians? How about Germans? Every country that has ever been a major military power in the world has made mistakes, and the U.S. is no exception. Wake up.

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]Hopefully the next terrorist attack takes someone you love away from you. Then let's see if some of you continue to champion your cause to build a trophy to those who killed your loved ones.[/quote]

Yo brochacho, deaths apart of life. We all lose people very close to us, taking it out irrationally like you seem to be is only detracting from the human race.





Also look at my note on people lost on 9/11, and civilians killed in the Iraq Afghan wars, who got the worst of it?

 

[Kerfuffle]

[quote name="PatrickSharpRules"]

Yo brochacho, deaths apart of life. We all lose people very close to us, taking it out irrationally like you seem to be is only detracting from the human race.





Also look at my note on people lost on 9/11, and civilians killed in the Iraq Afghan wars, who got the worst of it?[/quote]

The Americans who died got the worst of it. Talk to their families and you will see how it has effected them. Comparing war statistics and thinking it somehow has to be 'even killings' on both sides is immaterial. When you're the one who's killed it's your life. I don't care about the other side, but my heart goes out to all the American families that have lost someone.

 

[Kerfuffle]

[quote name="noon"]



Your pain, which is wholly understandable, is blocking your ability to discuss this rationally. If you can't see that this is in no way, shape or form anything even close to resembling a "trophy" to the terrorists, your brain is another victim of the attacks for which I am truly sorry. You refuse to separate the terrorists who perpetrated 9/11 from all Muslims generally. That is patently absurd. Go back and answer my questions in my previous post.[/quote]

Noon, you are correct - this is a difficult subject for me - one that hits very close to home. I played the father role for 3 little ones that lost their dad after 9/11 and it wasn't easy. Try to explain to a 3 year old that daddie isn't coming home. They still feel the impact today and probably always will. I disagree on your position regarding the 'trophy'. The Islamic community has a choice to respect the feelings of the victims and their families and move the mosque to a further distance away. They have not done that and refuse to do so. We are fighting to try and stop this as best we can. Hopefully we can continue to raise awareness of this issue. Obviously this is not the forum to do so and it's best I bow out.

 

[fanof19]

Kerf, I too lost many friends. Over 50. It has been painful for all of their families, still to this day. If I were the Muslim community, I would not build the mosque, out of respect for the feelings of those affected by 9-11. It is no different than the carmelite nuns who took up residence near auschwitz. The community at the time viewed that as antagonistic to the memory of the holocaust, so the Pope asked them to leave so as not to cause any ill will. Perhaps someone in the Muslim community may see it the same way, and ask that they drop the proposal so as not to create any ill will. I doubt anyone will, but since it is still raw in the hearts and minds of many New Yorkers, it might be best for them to consider a less controversial location for their mosque. Sometimes it's best not to stir up a hornets nest...unless that's what you are going for.

 

[TSD]

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]I'm ashamed that some of you here call yourselves Americans and are actually advocating on behalf of this mosque. You have short term memories and don't remember the pain of 9/11 and what they did to us. That lackadaiscal attitude is what they counting on for another attack. At what point do you stand up and say no to this? When we are all living under Sharia law? Unbelievable and extremely insensitive to the victims.[/quote]



So any time a few members of a group do something wrong it gives us the right to violate the freedoms of the rest?



You are implying that we are at war with islam as a whole and their mere presence here is a stain. I as an athesit oppose any involvement of any religion in our government and would fight any islamic attempt to do so or christian. But if someone wants to build a church, build a mosque, build an temple to Mithras I DON'T GIVE A ****, its their right as citizens of this nation.



[quote name="Kerfuffle"]

That's right - I don't want a mosque on ground zero to serve as their trophy symbol. Are you aware that the Iman in charge of that mosque has said some pretty hateful rhetoric about the US - and in line with the jihad extremists? And he's the guy in charge of the thing. Also, when is the last time you saw a Muslim community or leader condemning terrorism or the 9/11 attacks? I've been waiting for 9 years to see just one of these examples of peace and love that you mentioned. You want them to have a mosque - fine build it 5 miles away. It doesnt' have to be at Ground Zero.



Another thing - it will be interesting to see if any construction crew actually will accept the contract to build this mosque. There will be protests and violence that occur around it and no company will not want to be involved with it.[/quote]



If you support and or would be happy with that. violence against citizens of our own country for executing their right as a citizen of this nation you are no better than the people that flew into the towers.



[quote name="Kerfuffle"]Ignorant? Do you understand how many American lives were lost on 9/11? Did you lose anyone in your family that was close to this? I did and this is certainly an important issue to me. I look at my sister's kids and see the loss of their father in their eyes. It is easy to throw around liberal banter and rights for all but if you ever have something hit close to home I guarantee you won't feel that way.[/quote]



Yeah, and I balled up and was in a recruiters office and enlisted in the Army within 2 days shipped off to basic summer of 02. How did you show your patriotism? By being ignorant and uneducated, demeaning an entire populace that worships the same God as jews and christians?



I was pissed off about 9/11 and likewise embarrassed at about 90% of the people they interviewed following the attacks spewing hate and falsehoods.





At Illinois State Univeristy I was actually in a "politics of Asia, Africa and Latin America" class at the time of 9/11. My Teachers name was Dr. Nassar. He was an arab CHRISTIAN, and he was practically run off campus with death threats, vandalism to his car, phone calls threatening to kill his family to his home. All because he was of Arab descent and he wasnt even a muslim and this type of behaviour is just as intolerable as trying to violate the constitutional rights of all muslims because of a few.

 

[TSD]

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]

The Americans who died got the worst of it. Talk to their families and you will see how it has effected them. Comparing war statistics and thinking it somehow has to be 'even killings' on both sides is immaterial. When you're the one who's killed it's your life. I don't care about the other side, but my heart goes out to all the American families that have lost someone.[/quote]







So now mulsims dont have fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers, cousins, grandparents, friends? Or are they are just emotionless husks that dont give a **** when they see their mom walking across a street and her head explodes due to a stray 50 cal round.



Not that I blame my fellow soldiers, its an unfortunate reality of war and they gotta do what they gotta do.



But dont act as if people that arent americans dont have people that love them too.

 

[jakobeast]

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]Hopefully the next terrorist attack takes someone you love away from you. Then let's see if some of you continue to champion your cause to build a trophy to those who killed your loved ones.[/quote]



Wow.



And I hope you get cancer.



A good chunk of folks here lost a loved one in that attack. You aren't the only one. I feel for your family, truly, but to wish death upon a loved one of mine, including those here on this board is not only asinine, but petty, cretinous, unbalanced, and moronic.



You simple little man. You are no better then the terrorists that you profess to dislike. To demean an entire religion because some ridiculous zealots is daft to say the least.



You keep bringing up trophy. Do you honestly feel it is a trophy? Are they gonna have footage of the towers getting hit and falling on a continuous loop while the Benny Hill theme plays?

 

[TSD]

[quote name="jakobeast"]



Wow.



And I hope you get cancer.



A good chunk of folks here lost a loved one in that attack. You aren't the only one. I feel for your family, truly, but to wish death upon a loved one of mine, including those here on this board is not only asinine, but petty, cretinous, unbalanced, and moronic.



You simple little man. You are no better then the terrorists that you profess to dislike. To demean an entire religion because some ridiculous zealots is daft to say the least.



You keep bringing up trophy. Do you honestly feel it is a trophy? Are they gonna have footage of the towers getting hit and falling on a continuous loop while the Benny Hill theme plays?[/quote]





You mean you didnt see the concept photo? I mean it spells it all right here...shocking.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

[quote name="jakobeast"]



Wow.



And I hope you get cancer.



A good chunk of folks here lost a loved one in that attack. You aren't the only one. I feel for your family, truly, but to wish death upon a loved one of mine, including those here on this board is not only asinine, but petty, cretinous, unbalanced, and moronic.



You simple little man. You are no better then the terrorists that you profess to dislike. To demean an entire religion because some ridiculous zealots is daft to say the least.



You keep bringing up trophy. Do you honestly feel it is a trophy? Are they gonna have footage of the towers getting hit and falling on a continuous loop while the Benny Hill theme plays?[/quote]



AMEN JAKO

 

[jakobeast]

[quote name="TSD"]





You mean you didnt see the concept photo? I mean it spells it all right here...shocking.

[/quote]



I think that is quite understated actually.

 

[TSD]

[quote name="jakobeast"]



I think that is quite understated actually.[/quote]



It only took two minutes, I mean I would have made a big flashing light billboard with an animated gif of the towers falling with benny hill music in the background.



But that may be a little much :think:

 

[winos5]

It seems to me like someone is trolling for reactions. Could be wrong though....

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

[quote name="winos5"]It seems to me like someone is trolling for reactions. Could be wrong though....[/quote]



No... he's just an idiot.

 

[bri]

All I can say is I'm glad Graham isn't posting. I don't know which side he would take, but if it seems volatile now, I can't imagine the verbal fallout that would occur. We all know he was like a dog with a bone and always had to have the last word.





You are all entitled to your opinions, but some people could be a little nicer in the way they express them.





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[Guest]

Can we all agree this thread can be closed now?



I can't even count the many places it crosses the line from both sides.