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of course it does
he may be a lazy defender but his offensive production is unquestionable
of course it does
he may be a lazy defender but his offensive production is unquestionable
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How much do you value 70 wins vs about 60-65 wins?
Frankly, I don't care, I don't believe the Cubs will be contenders next season barring a spending spree.
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I think a more proper argument is that barring a trade or Josh Vitters suddenly figuring out how to play baseball, Aramis Ramirez is the best 3B option and his absence will leave a gaping hole at 3B. This is only one position though and we have no idea what the Cubs' plans are for next year. Therefore we don't know whether the 2012 Cubs as a team will be better or worse than 2011.
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I have no control over whether the Cubs are good or not next year. I do have control over whether or not I am right in this discussion.
It is still amazing to me how much people care about things besides performance on the field. This team has been bad, but getting rid of one of the few guys that is producing at level above average for his position does nothing to make this team better.
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Many teams have debt. Despite Bud Selig and Tom Ricketts saying it won't affect the team, you still think it will?
The Cubs can still have a 130 million dollar payroll despite the debt.
So are we supposed to develop or trade prospects? You contradict yourself.
Yup. He sucks. I hate how he is the best hitting 3B in baseball this year. Damn him. Maybe we should try to get that McGeHeeHaw guy back. He is real good.
I think we'd be lucky to see a collective OPS that high.
Yes, he doesn't care. That's why he has gone out there this year and put up the best offensive numbers for all 3B. That's exactly why.
You want your team to win, yet you want Ramirez gone. :thinking:
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To be honest I hope he is gone time to move on.
he will be a type A free agent right?
he will be a type A free agent right?
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Type B, but on the cusp. May be Type A by the end of the season, cutting it close though.
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Nope. Not even close. He is about 5 points away from type A. So basically he has no shot in hell.
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Your definition of cusp and my definition of cusp must be very very different.
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I'm not sure how Elias does their rankings so therefore not sure how he'd make up five points. It's cusp-ish :lol:
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Are you dense? Organizations develop prospects and hopefully they fill need positions, and when stars are available, organizations trade prospects they develop.
Does paying Aramis Ramirez about 10-13M a year for 2-3 years make the team without adding pieces, make the team better?
That's for the Cubs to decide. I don't believe so.
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I don't believe the Cubs will contend next season, I hope I'm 100% wrong. The only way the Cubs will "contend" next season is by buying free agents to fill holes similar to the sprees of 2006-07. Production may be lost from "franchise players," but I hope that it's the Cubs bite a bullet going forward and save about 36 million to pay for a player that will be a difference maker for the Cubs going to the playoffs or not.
In my opinion, that is not the best way to build a team.
In my opinion, that is not the best way to build a team.
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Well it's hard to make the Cubs with Aramis better than the Cubs with Aramis. But he doesn't make them worse. That's the point. There is no better 3B out there that we can get. I don't get how you don't get that.
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Again it goes to back to how much the Cubs value Ramirez.
I don't believe he's worth 12 million a year.
I'd take him at 9-10 million a year.
And it depends on what Rice and others said numerous times, where the Cubs want to go next season and how they plan on getting there.
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There is so much horse poo in this thread.
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Just thought I'd throw that out there again.
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Perhaps one of these days, I might actually care.
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So a 3B who is either 1 or 2 in most offensive categories is only worth 9-10 mil? He worth 12-15 mil easy. Again if Cubs spend money he will be back, if they dont then he will go to another conteder.
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Yep, players get paid what they're projected to be worth, not what fans think they're worth.
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