Rammy may leave because of GM vacancy

[nwfisch]

I don't see how fangraphs can say that we're in a rebuilding stage when we have no GM yet.

The new GM won't pull money out of his own rear end to sign FA's.


Building from the bottom is the best option for the next 3-4 years.

 

[Captain Obvious]

The new GM won't pull money out of his own rear end to sign FA's.


Building from the bottom is the best option for the next 3-4 years.

You're right, he is going to get money from the contracts that are coming off the books this year.

I don't see how you can definitively say that this is the best option. I don't think that building from the bottom is necessary.

 

[Rice Cube]

You're right, he is going to get money from the contracts that are coming off the books this year.

I don't see how you can definitively say that this is the best option. I don't think that building from the bottom is necessary.

It's not the only way, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad course of action either. We'll see.

 

[nwfisch]

You're right, he is going to get money from the contracts that are coming off the books this year.

I don't see how you can definitively say that this is the best option. I don't think that building from the bottom is necessary.

Um what?

The Cubs are ridden with debt. $500M at least.

Building the Cubs farm is to develop stars for the Cubs on the cheap. Boston has Ellsbury and Pedroia.

Philly has Howard and Utley.

Those teams went and acquired pieces like Gonzalez and Beckett for Boston.

Lee and Halladay for Philly.

The main pieces Boston and Philly gave up to get supplemental all-stars?

Prospects.

 

[Sunbiz1]

You're right, he is going to get money from the contracts that are coming off the books this year.

I don't see how you can definitively say that this is the best option. I don't think that building from the bottom is necessary.

It's the best option b/c Aram is an overpaid bum that became comfortable with a fat paycheck yet never produced what he was paid.

Good riddance

 

[dabynsky]

It's the best option b/c Aram is an overpaid bum that became comfortable with a fat paycheck yet never produced what he was paid.

Good riddance

I fear that my sole enjoyment next year will be to remind people of posts like this next season when our 3B have a collective OPS around .700.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

It's the best option b/c Aram is an overpaid bum that became comfortable with a fat paycheck yet never produced what he was paid.

Good riddance

Except for being a better hitter than most 3B in either league..

Interesting. :wacko:

 

[Rice Cube]

It's the best option b/c Aram is an overpaid bum that became comfortable with a fat paycheck yet never produced what he was paid.

Good riddance

Technically, for the time being, you are right.

Aramis Ramirez

Being paid $75MM over the course of these five years, not taking into account next year's option, Aramis has produced approximately $69MM of production. This is taking into account his shitty 2010 and the fact that he was hurt for a lot of 2009. How dare he get hurt and not produce to his potential. ******.

 

[Rice Cube]

Naturally, FanGraphs might be full of shit so take those numbers as you will.

 

[daddies3angels]

Its simple. If Cubs want to contend A-Ram will be back. if they want to go young he will be gone.

 

[nwfisch]

I fear that my sole enjoyment next year will be to remind people of posts like this next season when our 3B have a collective OPS around .700.

If you think the Cubs will contend next season, I think that's :wacko:

 

[daddies3angels]

If you think the Cubs will contend next season, I think that's :wacko:

Assuming you said same thing after 2006 season. Look what money can buy when your a big market :crazydance:

 

[Rice Cube]

If you think the Cubs will contend next season, I think that's :wacko:

It's not out of the realm of possibility but I think it would be very difficult to contend even in the NL Central given the deficiencies this club has.

 

[nwfisch]

Assuming you said same thing after 2006 season. Look what money can buy when your a big market :crazydance:

Depends on if Fielder leaves, and if the Cubs improve their 1 and 5 spots in the rotation.

Things will change quickly if Fielder comes to the Cubs, and the Cubs get pitching back.

 

[dabynsky]

If you think the Cubs will contend next season, I think that's :wacko:

Umm the post said my sole enjoyment would be watching the crappy play of 3B next season without Ramirez. Not sure where the contending idea has come from, but yes I am going to continue to tell everyone that losing Ramirez makes this team worse.

 

[daddies3angels]

Depends on if Fielder leaves, and if the Cubs improve their 1 and 5 spots in the rotation.

Things will change quickly if Fielder comes to the Cubs, and the Cubs get pitching back.

Honestly thats all up to Ricketts. If he allows the new GM to come in and spend money to get Fielder and get 1 or 2 SP then they could contend. I dont see it happening. I see him cutting payroll with signing guys like Pena (medicore vets) to sell to stupid Cub fans that they trying to win. Honestly it needs to be 1 of 2 choices

1: Spend the money and contend

2: Go young and i mean young

Im tired of this halve way bullshit. Players like Byrd and Pena will not help the Cubs win now or the future. Guys like Fielder, Wilson, will help now and future. If they dont want to spend then atleast play the young guys to see who sticks.

 

[dabynsky]

Depends on if Fielder leaves, and if the Cubs improve their 1 and 5 spots in the rotation.

Things will change quickly if Fielder comes to the Cubs, and the Cubs get pitching back.

Honestly, the pitching is the biggest variable. If the Cubs could somehow get the production they got from Garza and Dempster since May 1st and 2 great seasons out of one of the following free agent, Cashner, Wells, McNutt, Jackson, Coleman, Struck, etc. this team has a shot at a pretty weak division (assuming Pujols and Fielder are leaving the Central or going to Chicago). That said I am not holding my breath on the second part of that equation.

 

[nwfisch]

Umm the post said my sole enjoyment would be watching the crappy play of 3B next season without Ramirez. Not sure where the contending idea has come from, but yes I am going to continue to tell everyone that losing Ramirez makes this team worse.

So are you saying your an Ramirez fan instead of a Cub fan?


The Cubs can't get much worse. There's an old saying that baseball teams lose 60, win 60 and the other 42 are up for grabs.

The difference between about 70 wins and 60 is nothing to me.

 

[dabynsky]

So are you saying your an Ramirez fan instead of a Cub fan?

Really didn't think what I said was that hard to understand. The point was that the Cubs are likely to make poor decisions in the offseason which results in a bad season. Leaving me to "enjoy" the fact that I was right about this discussion we've been having about Ramirez for a while now as my only source of Cubs enjoyment next year.

The Cubs can't get much worse. There's an old saying that baseball teams lose 60, win 60 and the other 42 are up for grabs.

The difference between about 70 wins and 60 is nothing to me.

That is fine, but that doesn't change the fact that losing Ramirez makes this team worse which is what I've been arguing. Anyway you slice it this team is worse next year without Ramirez.

 

[nwfisch]

Really didn't think what I said was that hard to understand. The point was that the Cubs are likely to make poor decisions in the offseason which results in a bad season. Leaving me to "enjoy" the fact that I was right about this discussion we've been having about Ramirez for a while now as my only source of Cubs enjoyment next year.




That is fine, but that doesn't change the fact that losing Ramirez makes this team worse which is what I've been arguing. Anyway you slice it this team is worse next year without Ramirez.

OK if you enjoy being right I guess. It's amazing how fans on here just want to be right. I don't care if I'm wrong in my opinion, I want my teams to win.

It still amazes how defensive people get for Aramis Ramirez. He doesn't care.



The argument could be made that $16M not being paid to Ramirez could make the team better improving pitching and 1B.