Rammy may leave because of GM vacancy

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I cant wait to see Cubs new 3B and how management will tell Cubs he a upgrade and will help them compete next year. There are so many holes to fill this offseason...1B,3B,2 SP, etc
 

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Serious question, is closer now a hole?
 

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Serious question, is closer now a hole?

Nah. Marshall and Marmol are okay. What you want is for the rotation to eat more innings and for the offense to score more runs, then the relievers aren't as exposed as they were this year. I think if anything they just flip-flop Marshall and Marmol or use them as a closer platoon, but that's more what I would do rather than what the Cubs will do.

I don't put too much stock on relief pitching as they aren't as important as starting pitching, offense and defense. Just my opinion.
 

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I agree, but Marshall is killer in setup like Thorton for the White Sox. If you move Marshall to closer even part time you lose that killer 7/8 inning guy. Will Coleman get consideration as the CL?
 

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I agree, but Marshall is killer in setup like Thorton for the White Sox. If you move Marshall to closer even part time you lose that killer 7/8 inning guy. Will Coleman get consideration as the CL?

I think most managers use their relievers all wrong. They should always leverage their relievers to the right situation instead of saving their best guy for the "saves". I hate the save rule for this very reason, because sometimes you just don't get to your best reliever because a lesser reliever has fucked it all up in a higher-leverage situation. It doesn't matter who is setting up and who is closing to me...the pressure is always there, and you want the best guy to pitch in the spots where you have a close score with the heart of the lineup.

It doesn't always work this way, but ideally you have your starters go 6 innings, then have your relievers go multiple innings like in the old days with Gossage and Fingers. Nowadays relievers aren't used right, but maybe that also saves their arms for the long season. I dunno, I'm not an expert in baseball, but it seems to me that having a reliever throw five pitches is inefficient when he could have kept going unless there's a platoon mismatch coming up.
 

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I think most managers use their relievers all wrong. They should always leverage their relievers to the right situation instead of saving their best guy for the "saves". I hate the save rule for this very reason, because sometimes you just don't get to your best reliever because a lesser reliever has fucked it all up in a higher-leverage situation. It doesn't matter who is setting up and who is closing to me...the pressure is always there, and you want the best guy to pitch in the spots where you have a close score with the heart of the lineup.

It doesn't always work this way, but ideally you have your starters go 6 innings, then have your relievers go multiple innings like in the old days with Gossage and Fingers. Nowadays relievers aren't used right, but maybe that also saves their arms for the long season. I dunno, I'm not an expert in baseball, but it seems to me that having a reliever throw five pitches is inefficient when he could have kept going unless there's a platoon mismatch coming up.


I miss those days. Pitchers go 6-9. Two relievers tops. Closers that pitched more than one inning. Four man SP rotations.
 

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I would think the Cubs Chris Carpenter on the farm would be a future closer :dunno:

I think Cashner would be an ideal closer, but the Cubs want him to be a starter.
 

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I would think the Cubs Chris Carpenter on the farm would be a future closer :dunno:

I think Cashner would be an ideal closer, but the Cubs want him to be a starter.

That's because if you have a guy who can eat 7 innings instead of 1, he's more valuable to the team.
 

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That and the Cubs lack starters in the upper minors with top of the rotation stuff whicj Cashner has.
 

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I believe Cashner is going down the Kerry Wood path, hope I'm wrong. :)
 

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Ramirez isn't getting $16M a year anywhere else. He'd still be the best 3B option by far for the Cubs next season.

Take one step back losing Ramirez maybe, hopefully two steps forward :)
 

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I don't see how fangraphs can say that we're in a rebuilding stage when we have no GM yet.
 

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