Rango

[Warrior Spirit]

To Spartans defense, mango's are pretty bad for you. Another one that people don't really realize as being 'bad' is apples. No idea how the expression 'apple a day keeps the doctor away' came into being a 'thing', but golly.

That said, I'm not a cape wearer, and @Spartan is anti-vax and anti-choice, so I'm all for ripping him a new asshole.

I've no need for a new asshole. And no need to think of me as anti-vax or anti-choice. I'm anti-oppression, anti governments demanding babies be poisoned. And anti people being given the right to kill defenseless human lives. You people would see the same evil in it all if you weren't so easily duped and easily manipulated.

 

[number51]

I've no need for a new asshole. And no need to think of me as anti-vax or anti-choice. I'm anti-oppression, anti governments demanding babies be poisoned. And anti people being given the right to kill defenseless human lives. You people would see the same evil in it all if you weren't so easily duped and easily manipulated.

Sandy Hook?

so easily duped and easily manipulated

 

[Burque]

I am spit balling here.
I think Urblock has paid his dues.
Shit happened but he continues to post here.
Let's let the past live in the past.
Everyone has their time.
Urblock is a member of our community
If you can't see that, then **** you.
Eat shit and fucking die.
Rot in the wasteland hell you call Earth and **** yourself.
But seriously, I love yall.
Have a great Sunday.

So, deck beers?

 

[nvanprooyen]

There's a restaurant by me name Django.

There's also a Python framework called Django

 

[KittiesKorner]

also a 3-fingered guitarist named Django

 

[Rory Sparrow]

Mediocre

The trouble begins with the abundance of characters that make their poorly fleshed out appearances and exits with no reason or rhyme attributed to their existence.

I thought it was OK. I find Tarantino's work to be too satirical. A lot of people like it, I guess. I loved Reservoir Dogs, but not much else from Tarantino. I actually sat through Hateful Eight, which is like being told a crass, vile joke for 3 hours and never getting to the punchline.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Hateful Eight was amazingly disappointing.

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

The trouble begins with the abundance of characters that make their poorly fleshed out appearances and exits with no reason or rhyme attributed to their existence.

I thought it was OK. I find Tarantino's work to be too satirical. A lot of people like it, I guess. I loved Reservoir Dogs, but not much else from Tarantino. I actually sat through Hateful Eight, which is like being told a crass, vile joke for 3 hours and never getting to the punchline.

"Poorly fleshed out" nails it. In Django, everyone is either racist POS or a victim of it. I have no problem with exits with no reason attributed to the existence, but for as complex as the dialogue can get, the characters are almost never complex at all.

Lately with Tarantino, the only thing less transparent over who is a POS and who is not is a kids' cartoon like GI Joe where Cobra uniform = evil.

(But that tends to be true of all period movies re: racial issues. The racists are so cartoonishly villainous it is laughable. Bill Burr does a great rant on it.)

I still like it though because to me it feels satirical of the racially-motivated drama period pieces that are so obviously Oscar bait. And I don't even think that's the satire he is going for.

For Hateful 8, I loved it but I freely acknowledge that I don't "get it" in that I have no idea why it exists. I suppose the racist POS the sherriff was ended up in bed with a black guy and dying with him so symbolism?

No takeaway needed for me though, but yes if you are one that needs a point, then one would not be a fan of Tarantino because the "point" is external to all his films: These movies exist to show off Tarantino's gift at dialogue and building tension through mostly dialogue. And that is both why I love them and fully understand why a lot of people don't.

 

[Rory Sparrow]

For Hateful 8, I loved it but I freely acknowledge that I don't "get it" in that I have no idea why it exists. I suppose the racist POS the sherriff was ended up in bed with a black guy and dying with him so symbolism?

Ken Burns could have delivered the same symbolism in quicker time.

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

So the movie was based on a brett05 CCS thread?

I have no idea. I only recently started going to B & I, and I suppose his work is largely buried in the past threads of other pages.

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

Ken Burns could have delivered the same symbolism in quicker time.

I mean you are not wrong. He enjoys using dialogue to "almost" bust out a bloodbath but no violence happens (the croissant scene in Inglorious) to using dialogue to break out 1 death (the shootout between Samuel L and Bruce Dern) to using dialogue to bust out a massacre (many many examples but the best is Hans Landa in the farmer's house).

I get it if anyone says it is pretentious and they can't get over the idea he is smugly showing off when they watch his stuff.

There is no "point" outside of he is Tarantino and he CAN.

I have come to peace with it myself and still enjoy it all.

 

[Rory Sparrow]

I get it if anyone says it is pretentious and they can't get over the idea he is smugly showing off when they watch his stuff.

There is no "point" outside of he is Tarantino and he CAN.

I have come to peace with it myself and still enjoy it all.

I wonder if 25-50 years from now, film buffs will go back in time and watch Tarantino's films and think "WTF is this garbage?" Kind of like watching Fletch with Chevy Chase, not laughing at any point in time during the film, and then when the film is over you say "Well, I guess that is what was considered 'funny' back then."

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Kurt Russell completely took me out of Hateful 8. So over the top, so bad. Walt Goggins and Bruce Dern were the best in that movie

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

I wonder if 25-50 years from now, film buffs will go back in time and watch Tarantino's films and think "WTF is this garbage?" Kind of like watching Fletch with Chevy Chase, not laughing at any point in time during the film, and then when the film is over you say "Well, I guess that is what was considered 'funny' back then."

I doubt it will age poorly though. Here is my reasoning:

If he fleshed characters out to the point of really caring for them and then used his gift of long tension-building dialogue, he would be considered an overall master at film-making imo.

But then it would create a different tone: the violence would almost certainly have to be less stylish because it would be far more emotionally demanding on the audience and this is kinda why I just accept him for who he is as a filmmaker and enjoy it.

He seems to thrive in the "guy flick" mentality of his films. But if anyone tries to put him up with Hitchcock, no way ...

Hitchcock usually had great characters in his suspense flicks: Jimmy Stewart in Vertigo, Marion Crane's personal crisis and dilemma under-girding the shock of her murder in Psycho ... what's the point of her struggle if Norman just kills her? To the world, none. To us the audience, everything. She had a mini-character arc going from willful illicit affair and theft to inner repentance and an unwitting victim of peeping after she is seeking redemption bringing a sense of sorrow to her unsettling killing.

If Tarantino made Psycho, he would start in the motel and only introduce some character catagories within witty banter (almost impossibly witty) and use dialogue devices to get to the murder. He almost never has a death come out of nowhere for the character but shows a conflict and all deaths arise from dialogue that ratchets the conflict up to blows and bullets.

He is really good at that though. But he is no Hitchcock who mastered several scenarios of suspense, not just one.

I think he will be seen as over-rated but not to the point of "WTF is this garbage". JMO

 

[Rory Sparrow]

Kurt Russell completely took me out of Hateful 8. So over the top, so bad.

He definitely went Overboard.

 

[Rory Sparrow]

If Tarantino made Psycho, he would start in the motel and only introduce some character catagories within witty banter (almost impossibly witty) and use dialogue devices to get to the murder. He almost never has a death come out of nowhere for the character but shows a conflict and all deaths arise from dialogue that ratchets the conflict up to blows and bullets.

He is really good at that though. But he is no Hitchcock who mastered several scenarios of suspense, not just one.

I think he will be seen as over-rated but not to the point of "WTF is this garbage". JMO

If Tarantino made Psycho, we'd have Travolta as Norman Bates. j/k

I guess I am kind of speaking of my own experience, as I remember being enthralled with Pulp Fiction when it first came out, but am kind of 'meh' about it now. The sequencing of the movie is interesting, but everything else is rather pointless.

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

If Tarantino made Psycho, we'd have Travolta as Norman Bates. j/k

I guess I am kind of speaking of my own experience, as I remember being enthralled with Pulp Fiction when it first came out, but am kind of 'meh' about it now. The sequencing of the movie is interesting, but everything else is rather pointless.

Yes. He sucks so bad at characterization. He tried to flesh out Mia, Bruce Willis, the French girl etc and it is SO boring to me. I can only watch the scenes with both Jules and Vincent now and skip the rest. I am glad he basically gave up and only bothers doing what he does well now which is far more limited than his fans think it is.

 

[Penny Traitor]

I find Tarantino's work to be too satirical. A lot of people like it, I guess.

He is pretty much still that video store geek that got a lot of money to do his homage to every style of movie he loved. If you love those same movies...you will probably love QT's film.

(i.e. I love those Shaw Brothers kung fu flicks of the 70s and 80s...so I can watch Kill Bill until the end of time)

The problem is his scripts are insane. Res Dogs was a nice tight script. He went overboard with Pulp Fiction. Your average script rarely goes over 100 pages and his script for that flick came in around 185 IIRC.

He probably never would get away with it again if Pulp Fiction was not such a huge success. Even then...Weinstein put his foot down on a nearly 300 page script for Kill Bill and released as two films instead.

Hateful 8 really felt like it should have been a stage show. No other director on the planet could have sold that as a feature film.

Oh and Tarantino is waaaaaay too comfortable with the "N Word". Made the OP's title difficult to watch and my least favorite of his films.

 

[Rory Sparrow]

He is pretty much still that video store geek that got a lot of money to do his homage to every style of movie he loved. If you love those same movies...you will probably love QT's film.

(i.e. I love those Shaw Brothers kung fu flicks of the 70s and 80s...so I can watch Kill Bill until the end of time)

The problem is his scripts are insane. Res Dogs was a nice tight script. He went overboard with Pulp Fiction. Your average script rarely goes over 100 pages and his script for that flick came in around 185 IIRC.

He probably never would get away with it again if Pulp Fiction was not such a huge success. Even then...Weinstein put his foot down on a nearly 300 page script for Kill Bill and released as two films instead.

Hateful 8 really felt like it should have been a stage show. No other director on the planet could have sold that as a feature film.

Oh and Tarantino is waaaaaay too comfortable with the "N Word". Made the OP's title difficult to watch and my least favorite of his films.

I like a lot of the old movies that Tarantino liked, but I don't like most of Tarantino's "homages"...they are somehow terribly unoriginal/blatant rip-offs while at the same time being "untrue" to the source material. Its hard to describe...I guess it would be like EVERYBODY being gwharris' alt account.

Tarantino is like Dan Bernstein...going so over the top to prove that he's not racist and "in" with the "blacks" that he comes off as overtly racist. Its not funny, its not 'schtick'...call a spade a spade.

 

[Penny Traitor]

I like a lot of the old movies that Tarantino liked, but I don't like most of Tarantino's "homages"...they are somehow terribly unoriginal/blatant rip-offs while at the same time being "untrue" to the source material. Its hard to describe

Nah...I get it.

Kind of how I felt after seeing Jackie Brown.

Nice to see Pam Grier getting a good payday, but otherwise a wholely uninteresting affair.