Reality Check Time

[southern_cross_116]

I imagine that the shots against are up as well.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Q has had a reality check of not playing Scott.

Finally listening to people who said Scott was a useless turd.

 

[southern_cross_116]

Assuming that you have a point in that... in what fantasy realm is it worth giving a guy a 2 year contract? Mind you I understand it was all low risk and all that (in terms of a cap hit) - but it just seems like another case of taking a flyer on a guy in the hopes that it pans out -sort of like that Russian guy Tallon traded for a few years back from Tampa Bay (I don't remember his name -but I think it was during Toews/Kane's first season).

In the Scott case it is a little odd, as it didn't fill a roster spot (and probably wasn't needed). Despite the Cullimore/Hendry stuff- I can't see how Hendry was ever sat over Scott -if you wanted a defenseman (even if it is only a generic defenseman).

Cullimore -well, isn't he his own special little case... an old guy that has been out of the league for a couple of years - frankly the guy is supposed to suck... it sounds like he hasn't been disappointing in that area.

I don't really know what type of team Quenneville is trying to go for. With all of the band-aids slapped in to positions on this team, I am not really thinking it is going to work all that well. Now of course, I am not saying there was much choice in the matter... I am not even saying that the depth that the team lost was irreplaceable (it was a little overpaid for the most part and in general).

I could get in to 'team building' discussion mode soon (but well - it looks like I am going to have a busy week or 2 coming up away from the hockey board world... although not the internet).

So far a 3 and 2 road trip ... and one left with the Kings (?) .. win there and they matched last season's Circus trip swing. It is hard to get a read on a team that wins then loses (and none are necessarily all that close of scores - sure SJ had an en goal I think -but that Calgary game was -well, I guess the old saying is that some games go like that ... what will this team be when they get back home?

I think what this is -is an .500 team at best (who knows if they get hot later on). So far it looks like the team is lacking a real checking line, and a (or possibly a couple) of defensive defensemen.

So who goes? I'll have to leave it there and have a think about it.

 

[Captain Iago]

Assuming that you have a point in that... in what fantasy realm is it worth giving a guy a 2 year contract? Mind you I understand it was all low risk and all that (in terms of a cap hit) - but it just seems like another case of taking a flyer on a guy in the hopes that it pans out -sort of like that Russian guy Tallon traded for a few years back from Tampa Bay (I don't remember his name -but I think it was during Toews/Kane's first season).

In the Scott case it is a little odd, as it didn't fill a roster spot (and probably wasn't needed). Despite the Cullimore/Hendry stuff- I can't see how Hendry was ever sat over Scott -if you wanted a defenseman (even if it is only a generic defenseman).

Cullimore -well, isn't he his own special little case... an old guy that has been out of the league for a couple of years - frankly the guy is supposed to suck... it sounds like he hasn't been disappointing in that area.

I don't really know what type of team Quenneville is trying to go for. With all of the band-aids slapped in to positions on this team, I am not really thinking it is going to work all that well. Now of course, I am not saying there was much choice in the matter... I am not even saying that the depth that the team lost was irreplaceable (it was a little overpaid for the most part and in general).

I could get in to 'team building' discussion mode soon (but well - it looks like I am going to have a busy week or 2 coming up away from the hockey board world... although not the internet).

So far a 3 and 2 road trip ... and one left with the Kings (?) .. win there and they matched last season's Circus trip swing. It is hard to get a read on a team that wins then loses (and none are necessarily all that close of scores - sure SJ had an en goal I think -but that Calgary game was -well, I guess the old saying is that some games go like that ... what will this team be when they get back home?

I think what this is -is an .500 team at best (who knows if they get hot later on). So far it looks like the team is lacking a real checking line, and a (or possibly a couple) of defensive defensemen.

So who goes? I'll have to leave it there and have a think about it.

This will be a hell of a think. Ok, I'll bite and toss out some initial thoughts. I kinda think we're a bit boxed in with what we have. If brass is okay with running the FA clocks on the probable call-ups, some of the higher priced fat will also have to be trimmed (Brow, Pecker) as many of the call-ups make twice as much as the cheap fat (Hendry, Boynton, Cullimore) that they'd be replacing. That's a big problem. The people who clamor for Leddy, Morin, Beach don't explain how to make it work capwise while still having enough players on the roster in case of short-term injuries. I know, :shocker: isn't it? Oh, I should also state that I'm not going to touch on our goalies - I'll be honest here as goalie trade value is a concept that still has me dumbfounded at times.

If we're sellers...

First, the obvious untradables - Toews, Keith, Kane, Hjammer. Can't move 'em.

Seabrook - I don't think I move him. He's still a cornerstone - young, top pairing defenseman. His raise ought to only cut into the cap somewhere around $.500-3 million, depending on how long they want to sign him for.

Soupy - Sure, inquire around, but which team will have not only have the cap available, but also the cash to pony up for him that could use a PMD of his caliber for a cup run? He'd be easier to move if his cap hit were higher than his salary, but c'est la vie. While I enjoy him on our team, he's around 3mil bad paper. I'd be surprised if he is movable, not to mention his limited NMC. Probably not going to get a fantastic return because of the bad paper here. Would you include some top 'spects or 1st rounders to move him to make up for the bad paper? Is the cupboard full enough to miss out on some future top picks to move him?

Hoss, Sharp - Do ya move 'em? Sure, you could probably ask/receive the moon for these guys, but do I really have to go into why they're immovable. I shouldn't think so.

Bolland - I'm positive a cup contending team would definitely be interested in him, as he's a stud checker/pker/faceoff extraordinaire. Oh wait, he's got a 41% FO win percentage and has been a shell of himself. Do ya sell basement low here or holdout hope as he's signed for a few more years. I think he hangs around and hope he comes around to what we saw post-injury last year. Also, I don't sell basement low on Bolland just to make room for the "kids" if this season becomes a punt.

Dowell, Stalberg, Skille, Bickell - It might more valuable going forward with some of them. It's hard to include Bickell in this group, but he is signed for cheap next year and the other two are RFA. With having some more cap room for next year, these guys can certainly be flipped and then targeted available FA are signed this offseason (depending on how Rocky wants to deal with Huey for next season). At the same time, some evils ya know are better than evils you don't. For my money out of this group, Dowell is the keeper.

Brow, Pecker - Sure, flip 'em for small return or let 'em walk at season's end. Flipping these two will be necessary if brass is good with calling up a kid or two if the season becomes a punt. And, that still may not be enough wiggle room to call up multiple "kids."

Boynton, Hendry, Pisani - Sure, flip 'em if there's interest in them. But the problem is, as I've already stated a few times, if the brass is willing to allow the FA clocks run, most of the call-ups make twice as much as these guys. So, other guys have to go. For example, you cannot trade Boynton or Hendry for a pick and expect to bring Leddy up. There' still around 600k that has to be accounted for in terms of cap difference between Leddy and Bontyon or Hendry.

Cullimore, Scott - Interest in these guys will be minimal.

It's tough, but if this season is going to be a punt, quite a bit of room has to be made to see what the "kids" have at the NHL level.

 

[Wandy89]

Give Scott back to the Wild , and take Madden back home here in the Chi. .. jus' sayin.

 

[southern_cross_116]

Give Scott back to the Wild , and take Madden back home here in the Chi. .. jus' sayin.

While I can empathize with the idea, I don't think the money would allow for that -leastwise not yet.


I'm thinking that bringing up Potulny might not be a bad idea. at this point I am trying to work out a 3rd and 4th line that compliments our 1st and 2nd lines.

I suppose in the 'goes' part- it can also mean call ups, and send downs.

But not to make any mistake about where I am coming from -this isn't about "saving a season" but trying to put together a more workable team.

-I said it before though, about the lottery pick not being the worst thing in the world; and had a second more to consider this the other day - it isn't really material if the team can't use another prospect -as a lottery pick position is a "tradable" or "packagable" commodity.

And on another note, are there any actual defensive defensemen out there? Any on the block or gettable?

 

[Capt. Serious]

I was starting to come on to Skille then he plays just 29 seconds more than Scott vs LA.

For **** sakes.

 

[X]

'Hawks went 4-2 on the 6-game circus trip. Nice victory over LAK last night.

 

[X]

Did I win or lose in here?

 

[DMelt36]

You bumped a 4-year old thread so I say you lost.

On another note, there are some hilarious over reactions in that thread. Ho lee shit.

 

[X]

Did I win or lose in here?

You bumped a 4-year old thread so I say you lost.

On another note, there are some hilarious over reactions in that thread. Ho lee shit.

Fisch thank-bombed me in this thread today...I give him the credit. :X