Reality Check Time

[DewsSox79]

The team has played about as bad as they can right now...and are 5 points outta first place in the WC.

we have played 4 more games than detroit.

 

[Matthew]

The team has played about as bad as they can right now...and are 5 points outta first place in the WC.

This team is in 13th place in the Western Conference on an even playing field right now (point percentage). Last place in our own division as well. Look at the games played vs the points for each team.

 

[X]

Okay, nevermind, my apologies. Chicago sucks, and will never amount to anything again. We should replace them all w/ the ice hogs, and call it a season.

damn boys, let's over-react after the first month of the season...

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

I'm incredibly positive when it comes to the Hawks. I don't find any pleasure in being anything but optimistic when it comes to them.

That said, this team isn't very good. It's stocked with a lot of good players, good goalies and a good coach, but for whatever reason- they're not a good team right now. The possibility remains that they could turn it around, but if they keep losing games like they are right now- it's not going to matter.

This team is frustrating more than anything.

 

[Derkach77]

It was sad to see them lose a SO tonight. I think they will turn it around soon but I was hoping this would be the game to do it.

 

[DewsSox79]

Okay, nevermind, my apologies. Chicago sucks, and will never amount to anything again. We should replace them all w/ the ice hogs, and call it a season.

damn boys, let's over-react after the first month of the season...

do you look at the standings and understand games played + points?

 

[X]

do you look at the standings and understand games played + points?

yup. I also understand that they have about 60 games left.

Doesn't matter how you start the season, boys...it's how you finish it.

 

[Capt. Serious]

yup. I also understand that they have about 60 games left.

Doesn't matter how you start the season, boys...it's how you finish it.

They've allowed the 2nd most goals in the West behind the fucking Oilers!

But hey everything is sunshine & rainbows.

:elephant:

 

[X]

But hey everything is sunshine & rainbows.

:elephant:

yup...that's exactly what I said.

 

[Matthew]

Damn boys, let's over-react after the first month of the season...

yup. I also understand that they have about 60 games left.

Doesn't matter how you start the season, boys...it's how you finish it.

We are a quarter of the way into the season and we are buried in the far superior Western Conference. All of these points we are losing are gone, there is no chance to get them back and a slow start in the West could mean your team is playing Golf come April.

I am not saying that this team cannot turn it around but to completely ignore the fact that a team with Hossa, Toews, Keith, Kane, Sharp, Seabrook, and Campbell on the roster is only playing well enough for 13th place in the Conference in laughable. Maybe sneaking into the playoffs as the 8th seed would be best for this team considering we cannot win games at home.

I really don't think you understand how good the Western Conference is, outside of Edmonton every team is good enough to make the playoffs (I almost dis-included Calgary but Kiprusoff gives them an outside chance).

 

[Capt. Serious]

X-Factor needs to realize how deep the West is & stop being a homer.

This isn't last years team. Our so called "depth" this year, sucks.

Skille scoring (his first) 2 goals yesterday doesn't change that.

 

[X]

X-Factor needs to realize how deep the West is & stop being a homer.

This isn't last years team. Our so called "depth" this year, sucks.

Skille scoring (his first) 2 goals yesterday doesn't change that.

lmao - check yourself...never have I said there's no reason to panic, or that we're the best team in the WC...or any of that garbage. I've just said the season isn't over. They are ONE spot out of 8th. They WILL get better, our stars will play like stars, and we can go from there.

But by all means, Joehawks...write the season off and call me names because you hate this team.

Damn, I'm starting to see why no one on this board likes you.

 

[Matthew]

They are ONE spot out of 8th.

No, we are 5 spots out of 8th place in our Conference. Again how many times does one have to explain to you that the standings are skewed right now because not every team has played an equal amount of games. Not to be a dick but if you cannot even understand how the point percentage standings work how are you going to explain to experienced hockey fans how this team will turn out?

 

[X]

No, we are 5 spots out of 8th place in our Conference. Again how many times does one have to explain to you that the standings are skewed right now because not every team has played an equal amount of games. Not to be a dick but if you cannot even understand how the point percentage standings work how are you going to explain to experienced hockey fans how this team will turn out?

point % is a better way to evaluate standings, I'll concede. I was going merely on points. But, experienced or not, 95% of fans are over-reactionary. How can you, with all your experience, predict the future and tell inexperienced fans how the team will turn out?

 

[Capt. Serious]

Time for Cullisuck to board the Rockford Express.


When guys 5'9" are beating you to pucks, you suck.

 

[southern_cross_116]

point % is a better way to evaluate standings, I'll concede. I was going merely on points. But, experienced or not, 95% of fans are over-reactionary. How can you, with all your experience, predict the future and tell inexperienced fans how the team will turn out?

X, don't sweat it - 'point percentage' as a gauge is misleading anyways -as it presupposes that any team with games in hand actually win all of those games -which statistically can't happen with every team involved.

However as a relative point of reference the 'point percentage' thing does give a better idea of where the team stands, but I would say it is not an absolute science by any stretch.

 

[Matthew]

X, don't sweat it - 'point percentage' as a gauge is misleading anyways -as it presupposes that any team with games in hand actually win all of those games -which statistically can't happen with every team involved.

However as a relative point of reference the 'point percentage' thing does give a better idea of where the team stands, but I would say it is not an absolute science by any stretch.

Please explain yourself further because either I am not understanding you correctly or you're mislead as to how point percentage is calculated.

Point percentage simply is total points earned divided by total points available to a team. It does not "presuppose" anything and all it does is give you a gauge of how well each team has performed despite amount of games played.

 

[southern_cross_116]

Fair enough, point percentage is the same thing as projecting results based upon the percentage as calculated, if you follow it to the logical reason it is being used. (or at least that is my take on it).

Technically you are right and I was a little too general of a description -as what that set of percentages when applied to a few teams ( say in a division or a conference -whatever you like) does is presupposes all teams continue on to gain points at the same rate as they had all season; with the stopping point- presumably set with the amount of games that the team having played the most games has played. At least it does when one starts assigning teams relative standings positions based upon point percentage results.

I don't know that it really works - as it doesn't account for the opponent's teams are facing. On the one hand it is a measuring stick for what happens, but once you apply it to a standings position, then it becomes more of a projection measurement than a historical one.

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Now to be fair (and speak to things from the sports side of things...) - winning is what it all is about; win and everything else takes care of itself.

I just go by games in hand, as there isn't anything you can do about other teams' play in the future anyways -knowing where you stand relative to anyone else isn't really material when the main object is to win anyways.

 

[southern_cross_116]

Edit: the below was replying to a quote that was removed.



Don't laugh too hard--- it happens to be all you got.

 

[Captain Iago]

Did you buy your playoff tickets from the Hawks yet?

There is so much fail in this "dig" it's beyond funny.

:rolling: