Reality Check Time

[DewsSox79]

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[Capt. Serious]

Stalberg - Toews - Kane
Brouwer - Sharp - Morin
Bickell - Dowell - Kopecky
Scott - Pisani - Skille

:facepalm:

 

[tbo41fan]

Stalberg - Toews - Kane
Brouwer - Sharp - Morin
Bickell - Dowell - Kopecky
Scott - Pisani - Skille


Bolded guys= I like where they are playing

 

[dabynsky]

Is this misleading?

Goals Against/Game
Hawks: 2.86
Wings: 2.67
Jackets: 2.63
Preds: 2.5
Blues: 1.89

Late to the party on this one, and certainly have a lot more to say about the Hawks then just about this stat. However, it is misleading because the style that several teams in the central play leads them to have lower gaa, most notably the Predators but St. Louis and Columbus to an extent as well.

Here is another way of looking at it, goals scored per game in the Central:
1. Detroit: 3.20
2. Chicago: 2.87
3. St. Louis: 2.70
4. Columbus 2.42
5. Nashville 2.36

The Hawks are second in the divison without several top 6 forwards in multiple games. There is reason to be concerned, and there are cleraly holes in this team's depth and star players not playing as well as they should (Kane particularly). But it doesn't matter how you get to the playoffs, and we've got a long way to go before that is settled..

 

[Matthew]

Our special teams have been fine this season, we have one of the most efficient power plays going right now and a respectable penalty kill percentage. A huge problem has been our even strength play, 5 on 5 we average .82 goals for versus everyone one against us (22nd in the league). Last season we were second in the NHL averaging 1.2 goals for versus every even strength goal against.

 

[tbo41fan]

Late to the party on this one, and certainly have a lot more to say about the Hawks then just about this stat. However, it is misleading because the style that several teams in the central play leads them to have lower gaa, most notably the Predators but St. Louis and Columbus to an extent as well.

Here is another way of looking at it, goals scored per game in the Central:
1. Detroit: 3.20
2. Chicago: 2.87
3. St. Louis: 2.70
4. Columbus 2.42
5. Nashville 2.36

The Hawks are second in the divison without several top 6 forwards in multiple games. There is reason to be concerned, and there are cleraly holes in this team's depth and star players not playing as well as they should (Kane particularly). But it doesn't matter how you get to the playoffs, and we've got a long way to go before that is settled..

Your my new best friend!

 

[icehogfan08]

Your my new best friend!

Mine too

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[tbo41fan]

Mine too

YouTube - The Hangover- Three Best Friends Song

Post of the year!

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[Capt. Serious]

Reality check, we suck.

Great offseason Stan! :facepalm:

 

[X]

You all need to calm down, fo'real. Our players will straighten themselves out...we'll get healthy, and all will be okay.

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

You all need to calm down, fo'real. Our players will straighten themselves out...we'll get healthy, and all will be okay.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Cut the "we've played too many games" bullshit.

Stan did a piss poor job replacing our depth that left.

Skille- I've had enough of him. IMO, the dude is a bust.
Pisani- A whopping 2 goals. Playing center is mind boggling.
Stalberg- Still can't score in consecutive games cuz he has no consistency.
Cullimore- Management thought this pile of garbage was NHL material.
Scott- Belongs in a beer league not the NHL.
Dowell- For all the hoopla over Stalberg, Dowell has one less goal.

Now, to the current guys:

Brouwer- Doesn't crash the net. No wonder he only has 1 goal. Ghost.
Bolland- Piss poor contract for a guy that doesn't produce.
Bickell- Disappointing he's been since opening night goal.
D-Men as a whole coughing up the puck way too much.

This team is playing like ass & showing no enthusiasm whatsoever.

Right now, this team better wake the **** up. 4-6 at home?

Losing to cream puff teams like the Oilers (2), Jackets & injury riddled Devils.

That right there is unacceptable. In those games, 3rd periods, have bit them in the ass.

You don't wanna play 60 minutes? Well guess what, games like tonight will be the result.

I personally don't find this team fun to watch.

People thinking this team can repeat, is full of themselves.

I don't give a rats ass if it's only November.

The West is deep (no particular order):

Kings
Nucks
Avs
Wings
Blues
Sharks
Stars
Flames
Ducks
Predators

 

[Matthew]

Whatever Joehawks, I am at least realistically cynical about the season so far and have been highly critical of the play of our team so far. You're just ridiculous and act like every player on this team must be putting up a point per game or they are "garbage." Your entire analysis of players is based of the box score and stat line, do you even know how to evaluate the play of the players you're watching?

Also you continuously blame the off season for our problems, offer an opinion on what you would have done differently rather than ***** about the salary cap.

 

[Matthew]

It's not about what they could have done differently last offseason. It's about how bad they fucked things up to get themselves in that position to begin with. They have a TERRIBLE contract with Campbell right now. Without that, Hawks would have some wiggle room and would have been able to retain an additional 1 or 2 players and not have the depth issues that they do right now, and we'd probably never to utter the words "John Scott" again.

Dale Tallon signed Brian Campbell to his current contract, Stan Bowman is not the person to blame. So when you are saying "they" fucked up the off season you're placing the blame on the people cleaning up the liberal over spending mess by the previous regime. If you're going to ***** without offering advice on what you would have done differently than at least be informed enough to know who you're bitching about.

I do admit Dale Tallon did hand out some bad contracts during his time but with us winning the Cup last season I would not change one thing he did due to fear of the butterfly effect. He is the architect behind our first Stanley Cup in 49 years, mission accomplished as far as I am concerned. Tallon also is the reason Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane are on this team instead of Phil Kessel and James Van Riemsdyk.

 

[southern_cross_116]

Matthew- I think you're giving way too much credit- I don't think JH could analyze a stat line or a boxscore to save his life.

I have thought about your approach to some of the depth on the team and am inclined to think that you are probably right about the goon thing. Back in the day those types were part of teams that had superstars that haven't been around in a long long time - talking Gretzky/Lemieux -guys like that -where they carried that much more of their teams' offensive load- frankly I don't think the NHL has the talent pool that it once did. So while I get what role Scott has - I don't know that it works for the Hawks - as they are not a team that has any really standout guys -not to the same degree that those guys I mentioned in the past had been.

I think that maybe in light of that, there might only be a couple of teams that might be interested in a Scott guy - and that might be Wsh or Pgh. I would be more inclined to think the team would be better served trying to put together 4 lines -and with kids it just so happens that sometimes it works and most others it doesn't. I think that as a coach you give it a shot, as long as it makes sense in these players' development.

The offseason didn't make Sharp a -10 ... and overall there are a lot of guys carrying minuses -it goes with losing hockey. It also goes with teams that are weaker on 5 on 5.

Now, Joe- no more crush on Hjammer? I'm sure he's hurt.

 

[southern_cross_116]

Yeah and it also needs some context- as I'm sure a factor was that there was a good long period of time where Tallon knew he had to overpay in order to get anyone to sign in Chicago. At the time Campbell signed -the team was nothing with 2 rookies that promised some excitement - but hadn't proven anything in the NHL.

Theo Fleury comes to mind as one of those "big free agents" that the team could land - not too long ago. But -there are no discounts for promise -which is what the situation was when Campbell signed.

I think the playoffs last season proved he was worth the price -as the team was on the ropes against Nashville when he came back and added a dimension that the Preds were not able to match.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Maybe I can just accept that majority of these new guys suck.

 

[southern_cross_116]

Maybe I can just accept ....

Well that's a start ---- so did you pay Lucy a nickel for that?

 

[Captain Iago]

Yeah and it also needs some context- as I'm sure a factor was that there was a good long period of time where Tallon knew he had to overpay in order to get anyone to sign in Chicago. At the time Campbell signed -the team was nothing with 2 rookies that promised some excitement - but hadn't proven anything in the NHL.

Theo Fleury comes to mind as one of those "big free agents" that the team could land - not too long ago. But -there are no discounts for promise -which is what the situation was when Campbell signed.

I think the playoffs last season proved he was worth the price -as the team was on the ropes against Nashville when he came back and added a dimension that the Preds were not able to match.

Exactly where I was going to go with the crying about Campbell. Context is absolutely necessary here. While true, he is some bad paper, he was so necessary for last year's playoff run.

 

[X]

The team has played about as bad as they can right now...and are 5 points outta first place in the WC.