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Yep. They finished with the same record as BG's last season. 41-41. Which means losing BG meant nothing.
Remember when we used to ***** about Boozer and Deng's contracts?
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Yep. They finished with the same record as BG's last season. 41-41. Which means losing BG meant nothing.
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I thought he sucked and without him we were supposed to be better?
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They were. A year later the bulls made it to ECF with keith bogans
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I'm sure that had nothing to do with improving the entire team and everything to do with not having Ben Gordon.
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they went from 15th in offense to 27th after the departure of Gordon but did improve defensively 18th to 11th so the dynamics of the team changed they became more focused on defense as they didn't have the scorers anymore
still panned out into a 41-41 record but the year before the team was much better...they took Celtics to 7 games (in the best first round series in history IMO) while they only manged to get one game out of the Cavaliers the next year
you can't count the year we got a new coach, a super deep bench and Rose blossoming into a MVP...thats not fair
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I believe that year before we were also on a 50 win pace at the end of the year or something to that effect. That was after the Salmons/Brad Miller trade. But alas, regaining Luol from injury and losing Ben Gordon didn't do anything, or made us worse depending on how you look at it.
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I liked Ben Gordon. I remember watching him at Uconn in 04 and was thrilled when the Bulls drafted him. That 04 draft and 04-05 season helped me love the NBA again as it was hard to watch the NBA in general from 99-04. He had a very exciting 5 years here and had some nice clutch moments for the Bulls. Bulls could have kept him but he turned down every deal they offered him.
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he eventually tried to accept the 5/50 offer but they told him it was off the table
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I think they offered him 50, 55, and 59 mil in 3 straight offseasons with the Bulls but he wanted the same contract that Deng got. Instead he accepted the 55 mil contract from the Pistons. Sucked that he didn't stay but oh well. Business is business.
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you're right that Gordon did want a Luol deal and thats why he held out but he was never offered 55 or 59m from the Bulls not sure where you are getting that from
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Do you think rose would have won MVP with Gordon on the team?
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no if you have source then i'll admit im wrong but im pretty positive he was never offered that much
i don't know but i do think he would have still put up his MVP numbers 22-25 points with 7 assist
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Kobe did say publicly a few months ago he would have come to Chicago. Wasn't a joke.
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If the Lakers never really truly did anything, yeah Kobe may have gotten his wish for a trade. LA could have balked and not traded him though. Kobe would have waited for FA at that time, not sure when he was going to be an FA though at that point.
But most of that I figure was Kobe trying to get LA to do something for him, and they did, it worked, they won a few championships.
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Gordon didn't suck. He made his money and got lazy.
Overall for the Bulls he was an above average player. Streaky scorer. Awful on defense. Didn't give you anything else offensively really but his scoring made him somewhat valuable and tolerable.
As for Rami's point about Jalen Rose? Eh maybe. PER actually has Gordon as the better Bull but the gap(1pt) isn't really statistically significant.
Rose with the Bulls: 21.4 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 4.8 APG, 42% FG, 37% 3pt
Gordon with the Bulls: 18.5 PPG, 3.0 RPG, 3.0 APG, 44% FG, 42% 3pt
PER36 numbers tend to favor Gordon because he came off the bench a lot.
Flip a coin. I might lean Rose because he was the better all around player but meh.
Overall for the Bulls he was an above average player. Streaky scorer. Awful on defense. Didn't give you anything else offensively really but his scoring made him somewhat valuable and tolerable.
As for Rami's point about Jalen Rose? Eh maybe. PER actually has Gordon as the better Bull but the gap(1pt) isn't really statistically significant.
Rose with the Bulls: 21.4 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 4.8 APG, 42% FG, 37% 3pt
Gordon with the Bulls: 18.5 PPG, 3.0 RPG, 3.0 APG, 44% FG, 42% 3pt
PER36 numbers tend to favor Gordon because he came off the bench a lot.
Flip a coin. I might lean Rose because he was the better all around player but meh.
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Lakers were in conversation with both the Bulls and Pistons about a deal. Couldn't get the details hammered out. Lakers were ready willing and able to trade him.
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Not sure I really believe that other than they were exploring options should Kobe blow up at them. Who really knows though?
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