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I hate Apple products but admired Steve Jobs because I understood what he accomplished.
I hate Apple products but admired Steve Jobs because I understood what he accomplished.
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I think his entire relevance (much like his products) has been completely overblown. I do not wish him dead in anyway and wish his family and friends the best but this is getting out of control a bit.
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For their uses I like apple products, I just require more flexibility and upgradeability which apple products generally dont provide.
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It's all great if it brings more light on Pancreatic Cancer.
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What are you talking about? He's the reason the starship enterprise in the Star trek reboot looked like a flying macbook.
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Really? PC? Jobs and Woz. Smartphone popularity? Jobs. Tablet PC popularity? Jobs.
Yep overblown. No one in the last 50 years has done more to change the world than Jobs and that comes from an Apple product hater.
Think of it this way, the product you are using to type that was influenced heavily by Steve Jobs. But yeah overblown
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"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." -- Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943.
"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." -- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977.
"So we went to Atari and said, 'Hey, we've got this amazing thing, even built with some of your parts, and what do you think about funding us? Or we'll give it to you. We just want to do it. Pay our salary, we'll come work for you.' And they said, 'No.' So then we went to Hewlett-Packard, and they said, 'Hey, we don't need you. You haven't got through college yet.'" -- Apple Computer Inc. founder Steve Jobs on attempts to get Atari and HP interested in his and Steve Wozniak's personal computer.
Alot of it is simply doing what people previously thought was un-doable.
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You're kidding right?
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No, pretty dead serious. Apple II was the first PC. Woz and Jobs. Smartphones were for salesmen and executives until the iPhone. That was jobs. Tablets had been tried with very little success until the iPad. Jobs again.
Hell you can even throw him credit for making legal digital music popular.
So yeah name someone in the last 50 years that has done more
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Ask Xerox about the PC, Smartphones were around well before iPhone, and they've been trying to catch up ever since. Even the new one is already using outdated hardware. Ask Apple home much of their iPhone they are actually licensing patents from Palm/HP. The iPad was just a giant iPod, not really hard to do there. Everyone in the Apple cult ran out and bought one, this definitely opened a new market, but only to Apple people, tablets didn't become more than a novelty till others decided to get in the game at reasonable prices.
The man built am empire yes, he should be applauded for what he's done to polish otherwise crappy products with aesthetically pleasing features and sell it to morons at double the price while forcing them to use only Apple products. To me Steve Jobs is right up there with L. Ron. Hubbard. haha.
Again, it's tragic that he died. especially to Pancreatic Cancer. I wish he was still alive, I wish he was still doing what he does to push the industry, but at the end of the day he was just as much about the bottom line and corporate America as the CEO of a pharmaceutical company, but for some reason he's a god, and all other CEO's are the devil. They guy has had great sucess in his life, and no one can fault him for that, but people are treating his passing like there will never be another one of him. In reality, he was the visionary head of a multinational conglomerate, and there are already more than enough of those. I don't doubt that he's a genius, but I'm not putting him up there in the clouds with the rest of the saints just because he had strange market share.
The man built am empire yes, he should be applauded for what he's done to polish otherwise crappy products with aesthetically pleasing features and sell it to morons at double the price while forcing them to use only Apple products. To me Steve Jobs is right up there with L. Ron. Hubbard. haha.
Again, it's tragic that he died. especially to Pancreatic Cancer. I wish he was still alive, I wish he was still doing what he does to push the industry, but at the end of the day he was just as much about the bottom line and corporate America as the CEO of a pharmaceutical company, but for some reason he's a god, and all other CEO's are the devil. They guy has had great sucess in his life, and no one can fault him for that, but people are treating his passing like there will never be another one of him. In reality, he was the visionary head of a multinational conglomerate, and there are already more than enough of those. I don't doubt that he's a genius, but I'm not putting him up there in the clouds with the rest of the saints just because he had strange market share.
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I've used an Apple II, there's one in the Smithsonian, but never heard of Xerox making a computer. Guess which one had more impact.
As for smartphones and tablet PCs, reading is a skill. I never said he invented them. I said he made them popular.
As for the pharma analogy. When is the last time they cured something? No their big claim to fame is a dick drug that was intended to do something else.
There won't be another like him in this life time. These are once a generation people. I would associate his success on the level of Edison. They changed the world.
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Jobs got the idea for the Apple II from them after seeing their technology on a tour.
When is the last time they have cured something? Really? That's what you are going with... Prove to me there are cures and that they aren't trying to find them.
He's just another Bill Gates, Larry Page and Sergey Brin, Al Gore... he took technology that already existed, polished it up, put the Apple stamp on it, and sold it to him built in consumer base. His biggest accomplishment has nothing to do with the technology it's creating the rabid cult following he was able to achieve. For the last 10 years he's been living off the iPod. Step on introduce iPod, Step two Introduce new iPod, Step three, add crappy phone to iPod, Step 4 introduce new iPod, Step 4 introduce new iPod with Crappy phone on it, Step 5 Introduce Giant iPod. Can't wait till the new Mini Giant iPod comes out... Maybe it will have a phone. You want innovative, look at the companies that are creating something from nothing. Not just reconfiguring their current products.
When is the last time they have cured something? Really? That's what you are going with... Prove to me there are cures and that they aren't trying to find them.
He's just another Bill Gates, Larry Page and Sergey Brin, Al Gore... he took technology that already existed, polished it up, put the Apple stamp on it, and sold it to him built in consumer base. His biggest accomplishment has nothing to do with the technology it's creating the rabid cult following he was able to achieve. For the last 10 years he's been living off the iPod. Step on introduce iPod, Step two Introduce new iPod, Step three, add crappy phone to iPod, Step 4 introduce new iPod, Step 4 introduce new iPod with Crappy phone on it, Step 5 Introduce Giant iPod. Can't wait till the new Mini Giant iPod comes out... Maybe it will have a phone. You want innovative, look at the companies that are creating something from nothing. Not just reconfiguring their current products.
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This is a great little tribute from the Onion...
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Anyone elses Apple products acting funny today?
My I-pod is frozen on a song and won't do anything. The Mules I-phone is acting funky also. As is our I-book.
Hmmmmmmmm.
My I-pod is frozen on a song and won't do anything. The Mules I-phone is acting funky also. As is our I-book.
Hmmmmmmmm.
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Jobs created a virus for all Apple products with instructions to activate upon his physical death.
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In the late 60's and early 70's Xerox's PARC had a lab that created the GUI, laser printers, and networking as you know it now. Xerox did nothing with it but either allow the enginnerds to buy the patents or sell what was developed. Adobe, 3Com, and Novell all were born from that lab. Great book to read is Accidental Empires, or watch the supporting Triumph of the Nerds documentary.
Xerox sold the GUI concept to Jobs to ensure that Microsoft and IBM specifically would not have it. Apple made sure that the Adobe got on the map with the laser printer wysiwyg printing language with the original Mac (Apple sold the laser printers, and HP initially licensed it until the patent expired, then HP owned it all).
But you hit the point, that while Apple did not necessarily invent something new, they did push existing technology to the forefront and degeekified it. That whole Microsoft drum beat of OS integration and oi glaven products in the early 90's was an attack on Apple being too simple and not geek enough.
But the point being is that Apple used existing tech and pushed it forward. Not always as the front runner, but pushed forward none the less. Many companies have followed suit with even some of Apple's failures or realization of the possible with the market:
- Cube = ultra small form factor computers are possible.
- Mac Air = everyone made vastly lighter laptops not called netbooks.
- iMac = All-in-One computers...and Apple had 'em with touch screens with the 2nd gen iMac).
- iMac with colors = everyone made non-beige computers
- Copeland OS = Windows 2000 for some and Windows XP for the rest of it.
- Plug-and-Play in the early 90's = Microsoft had to do it too.
- Object Oriented Programing and reusable\shared\standard objects as OS norm= more stable OS\apps\and Microsoft had to do it as well....just took them a long time.
- Newton = yup others tried in the 90's as well (iPac), all failed...now they are trying it again, I wonder why?
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“What Descartes did was a good step. You have added much several ways, and especially in taking the colours of thin plates into philosophical consideration. If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants.”
-Issac Newton