Roes and Miller Suck!

[Rose1]

TheStig wrote:

Rose1 wrote:

I just throw my Rose jersey away. I wish we had Eric Gordon or OJ Mayo. They would of relish to take a shot. He wasn't setting no one up. He just bet at the top of the key and waited for Gordon or Salmons to come off a screen. He wasn't aggressive. He bet not come around the south side of Chicago. They gonna clown him.

I really hope you are exaggerating.

i'am stig. Rose where were you?

 

[engies]

Rose1 wrote:

engies wrote:

Rose1 wrote:

I just throw my Rose jersey away. I wish we had Eric Gordon or OJ Mayo. They would of relish to take a shot. He wasn't setting no one up. He just bet at the top of the key and waited for Gordon or Salmons to come off a screen. He wasn't aggressive. He bet not come around the south side of Chicago. They gonna clown him.

I cant believe you. Your name is Rose1 and your profile pic is Rondo. Why don't you jump on someone elses bandwagon

Rose is a 20 year old rookie, who won rookie of the year and won us PLENTY during the season to even get us in this position. If you dont have the patience to put up with rookie mistakes then you wouldnt have faired well when Jordan was a rookie, or any great player

HE DIDN'T PUT PRESSURE ON RONDO!

Where in my post did I say he did

You're being really irrational right now. I bet if Rose wins us the game next game you'll be so different from right now. But right now you're being insane as shown in your posts and your post in capitals just then

Just calm down

 

[TheStig]

engies wrote:

Rose1 wrote:

engies wrote:

Rose1 wrote:

I just throw my Rose jersey away. I wish we had Eric Gordon or OJ Mayo. They would of relish to take a shot. He wasn't setting no one up. He just bet at the top of the key and waited for Gordon or Salmons to come off a screen. He wasn't aggressive. He bet not come around the south side of Chicago. They gonna clown him.

I cant believe you. Your name is Rose1 and your profile pic is Rondo. Why don't you jump on someone elses bandwagon

Rose is a 20 year old rookie, who won rookie of the year and won us PLENTY during the season to even get us in this position. If you dont have the patience to put up with rookie mistakes then you wouldnt have faired well when Jordan was a rookie, or any great player

HE DIDN'T PUT PRESSURE ON RONDO!

Where in my post did I say he did

You're being really irrational right now. I bet if Rose wins us the game next game you'll be so different from right now. But right now you're being insane as shown in your posts and your post in capitals just then

Just calm down

We are very patient but his defense is bottom 5 among starting pgs. Rondo shouldn't be putting up a triple double. If skiles were still here, Rose would be seeing the end of the bench. Not that I want him benched but if he is not driving to the rim or pushing the tempo, Rose is a liability in this series.

 

[dougthonus]

We are very patient but his defense is bottom 5 among starting pgs. Rondo shouldn't be putting up a triple double. If skiles were still here, Rose would be seeing the end of the bench. Not that I want him benched but if he is not driving to the rim or pushing the tempo, Rose is a liability in this series.

This is insane. If we weren't playing Rose, then Lindsay Hunter would play 20 minutes a game in Kirk Hinrich's role. Rose is a liability.. Please.

Yes, Rose hasn't always been great, but in our 2 wins he was great. Both of our wins were largely because of him. I do think there is a problem with people placing too high of expectations on a 20 year old point guard, if you haven't seen a glimpse of what he'll be in the future then your basketball vision isn't too good.

He's basically playing the role of "goto man" as a rookie with 1 year of college experience. There are flaws for sure, but you couldn't ask for a lot more based on his level of experience and the position he's played and the pressure on him.

 

[Shakes]

TheStig wrote:

Kirk could never create, get to the rim or be as good in the clutch as Rose.

Rose averaged about the same number of assists as Kirk, and Kirk played a decent amount of time as SG next to Duhon. If Rose is a greatly superior creator then it's not showing up in the form of made shots. Getting to the rim is well and good, but if you're not fouled then the two points if you make it are effectively identical to a made jump shot. Overall Kirk was more efficient because he made threes. As far as being clutch goes, I think you're remembering the abysmal 07/08 Kirk, he was decent in 06/07.

Again, I think it's everyone remembers the good players of Rose and thinks of the player he could become. The stats don't bear out that he's there yet. Put those stats in the body of a 4th year "unathletic" guard and suddenly nobody thinks he's a great player.

Note I'm not saying that Rose doesn't have a lot more potential than Kirk in his 4th year, I'm just saying that Kirk in his 4th year was clearly a better player when you consider defense, yet wasn't considered great or a superstar or any of the other superlatives people are already throwing at Rose.

Closing out the season, Rose was the 3rd best pg in the league. He was playing great. He just hasn't been controlling the game and setting the pace like he was closing out the game.

It's a small sample size. Players put a few good games together and people assume they're breaking out, they put a few bad games together and we've drafted a bust. I think looking at what he's done over the whole season gives a better picture of who Rose is at this point.

 

[hfritz32]

dougthonus wrote:

We are very patient but his defense is bottom 5 among starting pgs. Rondo shouldn't be putting up a triple double. If skiles were still here, Rose would be seeing the end of the bench. Not that I want him benched but if he is not driving to the rim or pushing the tempo, Rose is a liability in this series.

This is insane. If we weren't playing Rose, then Lindsay Hunter would play 20 minutes a game in Kirk Hinrich's role. Rose is a liability.. Please.

Yes, Rose hasn't always been great, but in our 2 wins he was great. Both of our wins were largely because of him. I do think there is a problem with people placing too high of expectations on a 20 year old point guard, if you haven't seen a glimpse of what he'll be in the future then your basketball vision isn't too good.

He's basically playing the role of "goto man" as a rookie with 1 year of college experience. There are flaws for sure, but you couldn't ask for a lot more based on his level of experience and the position he's played and the pressure on him.

I agree but just because he is a rookie doesnt mean he gets a free pass on everything he does wrong. He should know not to make a difficult lob pass to Noah late in the fourth like that and to keep it simple. He also needs to be more aggresive, during this game almost everyone of his shots were late in the shot clock and he was forced to shoot. I still think he is playing good just has to make sure he takes a little better care of the ball the next two games. I mean he is averaging like 5 turnover a game for the series, i expected a lot but that is very high

 

[Newskoolbulls]

Rose1 wrote:

Rose was deferring the whole game and Miller missed a free-throw and he's 85% from the line. The series is over. I don't see Bulls winning 2 straight. I wish we would of got Brook Lopez. This dude is killing me. All he did was pass the ball on a neutral base every time. He set no one up.

You disgust me, thats all i have to say.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Quite plainly, they don't suck. Sure Miller choked, it happens to everyone (see Paul Pierce in game 1). Rose hasn't played nearly as well in the losses, but he has played great in the games won. The only "sucky" thing about Rose in this series has been his defense on Rondo IMO. He could at least box out Rondo so he doesn't average 11 boards a game. The kid's 20 years old, let's see you try to do better.

 

[Newskoolbulls]

Newskoolbulls wrote:

Rose1 wrote:

Rose was deferring the whole game and Miller missed a free-throw and he's 85% from the line. The series is over. I don't see Bulls winning 2 straight. I wish we would of got Brook Lopez. This dude is killing me. All he did was pass the ball on a neutral base every time. He set no one up.

You disgust me, thats all i have to say.

That was rude of me, sorry. However seriously you cant really think we should have taken anyone besides Rose.

 

[Dpauley23]

Miller doesn't seem like clutch player, but I don't have the stats to back it up. Anyway what really pissed me off is he seemed really focused picked whatever out of his teeth then the free throws. I would have rather have Lyndon Johnson shooting those free throws.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Miller doesn't seem like clutch player, but I don't have the stats to back it up. Anyway what really pissed me off is he seemed really focused picked whatever out of his teeth then the free throws. I would have rather have Lyndon Johnson shooting those free throws.

Lol Lyndon Johnson? The former president? I'm sure you meant Linton Johnson (then again, who knows)

 

[dougthonus]

Emotions run high in the wake of a loss where Rose didn't play well down the stretch.

I think, even though we'll lose, that this playoff series has been awesome experience for Rose. This one is going to drive him nuts in the off season, especially losing 2 games by nothing where he had two really poor nights in the losses and his man destroyed him on the other side of the court.

It's going to motivate him to do everything next year.

 

[TheStig]

dougthonus wrote:

We are very patient but his defense is bottom 5 among starting pgs. Rondo shouldn't be putting up a triple double. If skiles were still here, Rose would be seeing the end of the bench. Not that I want him benched but if he is not driving to the rim or pushing the tempo, Rose is a liability in this series.

This is insane. If we weren't playing Rose, then Lindsay Hunter would play 20 minutes a game in Kirk Hinrich's role. Rose is a liability.. Please.

Yes, Rose hasn't always been great, but in our 2 wins he was great. Both of our wins were largely because of him. I do think there is a problem with people placing too high of expectations on a 20 year old point guard, if you haven't seen a glimpse of what he'll be in the future then your basketball vision isn't too good.

He's basically playing the role of "goto man" as a rookie with 1 year of college experience. There are flaws for sure, but you couldn't ask for a lot more based on his level of experience and the position he's played and the pressure on him.

Doug, I am not saying not to play him, Skiles would have sat him during the regular season. But really Doug, has he been good outside of a 1 and a 1/4 game? His defense is beyond horrible, Rondo is lighting him up for a triple double game in and game out and he isn't controlling the tempo or really pushing the ball. Rondo is not this good! He is going way over his career averages and drawing a lot of fouls on Rose. Rose is a bottom 5 starting pg on the defensive end. Rose also hasn't been our go to guy in this series, I think its safe to say that BG is the go to guy but he has been for most of the year.

Lastly, you misinterpreted my last post, I have been saying Rose will be a great pg and even said in a past post in this thread he was probably the 3rd best pg during the final stretch of the year. I can see Rose is special and that he will improve his D over the offseason but that doesn't change the fact that his defense is just horrible at this point.

 

[Dpauley23]

Is time to start calling for benching Tyrus? Seriously we need somebody who can step it up at the 4 and the matchups work so better with Noah on Davis and Miller on Perkins.

 

[PJ Brown]

I love it! After Game 1, Rose is a true superstar, probably better than Chris Paul, who will no doubt get all the calls from here to eternity and now he sucks and was the wrong pick. Maybe we should consider a perspective slightly more broad than one moment in time.

And I agree with Doug, losing this way, as opposed to say losing so much you don't make the playoffs, is indeed a character builder, an amazing step in his and the team's development that we weren't bargaining on. These guys are playing in one of the most exciting first round series in years. Hell, it's even great for Vinnie to have to deal with this level of decision making. I'm upset the team lost a heartbreaker, but I'm actually pretty happy because this sort of excitement just wasn't in the cards. Free money, baby. Free money.

 

[Dpauley23]

Is anybody going to game 6?

 

[Shakes]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Is time to start calling for benching Tyrus? Seriously we need somebody who can step it up at the 4 and the matchups work so better with Noah on Davis and Miller on Perkins.

Well he's already being benched at the end of the game. I'm pretty sure the only reason Miller isn't starting is Vinny is worried about his ability to play big minutes, and would rather rest him for the end of the game.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Dpauley23 wrote:

Is time to start calling for benching Tyrus? Seriously we need somebody who can step it up at the 4 and the matchups work so better with Noah on Davis and Miller on Perkins.

It's not like Tyrus has been getting huge minutes over Miller. For the most part Vinny has played Miller over Tyrus down the stretch. So technically he is already benching Tyrus.

 

[Dpauley23]

Ya I guess your right.

 

[Rose1]

Oh I'm convinced we need to take Dejuan Blair and let that guy take Ty.Thomas job. It's funny that we don't have someone that grabs rebounds and get our guards second chance points. Celtics has killed us on that stat. Davis, and Perkins made their living down there. I'm tarting to endorse undersized Power Forwards. I like Milsap performance this season and Davis. They work harder under the basket which make the difference a lot. I think them type of forwards want it more.