Royals Interested In Zambrano

[Uman85]

Team Chemistry is complete bullshit. TALENT wins, not chemistry. Look at the 1970s As teams. Those guys hated each other and they won several championships.

Tinker to Evers to Chance? Guess what, they hated each other as well. Not a happy bunch of friends.

Give me a team of talent over a team of friends any day of the week

There's a HUGE difference between players simply hating each other and having a guy like Zambrano on your team. Players that hated each other still played the game day in and day out as a team. Zambrano isn't a team player. Pretty clear. But, I digress. I'm amazed that so many people defend an asshole like him. What little "value" he may bring to the table isn't worth $18 million and sure as hell isn't worth the attitude and demeanor the team would have to put up with in the clubhouse. When is enough, enough? Don't answer that, because I'm sure you'll somehow find another way to attempt to defend this piece of shit.

 

[Captain Obvious]

What some on here fail to realize is that this isn't the ideal situation in whether or not what the percentages say on keeping Zambrano.

There ARE other factors like attitude, that have be taken into account.

A guy like Milton Bradley comes mind when thinking about biting the bullet. What Z did throughout his career has been much worse than what Bradley did.

You don't just bite the bullet, though. It's dumb, especially when you can get something for the money. Whether it be prospects or performance, anything is better than nothing.

That's great that Z does all the nice stuff off the field. I believe and agree with you that the most important thing is on the field production.

That said, it's about baseball and what's good for the team. If Zambrano quits in August next season, and the Cubs are in the playoff hunt, what'll the excuse be for him then?

I thought it's about winning?

 

[Jntg4]

You don't just bite the bullet, though. It's dumb, especially when you can get something for the money. Whether it be prospects or performance, anything is better than nothing.



I thought it's about winning?

Not for the Cubs.

 

[Rice Cube]

Not for the Cubs.

In the future, it will be all about the winning

 

[nwfisch]

You don't just bite the bullet, though. It's dumb, especially when you can get something for the money. Whether it be prospects or performance, anything is better than nothing.



I thought it's about winning?

When healthy and a clean mind, Zambrano is one of the five best starting pitchers on the Cubs. That speaks to the lack of starting pitching depth the Cubs to how good Z is.


The case recently, is that a) He's been injured and
b) His mind isn't in the right place where he can do his job.

Has there been times in history in his history where he's put that aside? Yes, and that's when he's been most successful. I haven't seen any evidence in the past 5 years that he's willing to return to the Cy Young caliber form.

I get that ideally a team wants a return for every asset. However, there are cases, where an individual player's actions are detrimental to the team; like headcases Zambrano, Bradley or Silva.

It's clear that all 3 have worn out their welcome where ever they've played.

 

[dabynsky]

Okay I am just curious, since I apparently never played a team sport, how did Zambrano being an idiot and quitting on the team affected Ryan Dempster's pitching last season? If it did I think that speaks more about Ryan Dempster than Carlos Zambrano. Does Zambrano's actions really affect the performance of the players around him? If guys really are so easily swayed from producing at their peak levels than that is a real problem and that needs to be fixed.

However, I think lack of talent was the problem the Cubs had last season and are more likely to have this coming season than culture. Focusing on anything except acquiring more talent for this team is a waste of time.

 

[nwfisch]

Okay I am just curious, since I apparently never played a team sport, how did Zambrano being an idiot and quitting on the team affected Ryan Dempster's pitching last season? If it did I think that speaks more about Ryan Dempster than Carlos Zambrano. Does Zambrano's actions really affect the performance of the players around him? If guys really are so easily swayed from producing at their peak levels than that is a real problem and that needs to be fixed.

However, I think lack of talent was the problem the Cubs had last season and are more likely to have this coming season than culture. Focusing on anything except acquiring more talent for this team is a waste of time.

To me, if Zambrano is paid to be an ace, which he was for moreorless 6 years with the Cubs, it slots Dempster down a peg or 2 in the rotation. When Ryan Dempster is asked to be an ace, when he never was successful at that before, that makes the team worse.

At any work environment, there usually is a person or 2 that prevents people from doing their job effectively, to me that guy was Bradley in 09. Unfortunately, Zambrano is becoming more and more that guy with the "we stinks" comment, and his many meltdowns, ejections, and temper tantrums. I don't see Zambrano as a G O A T that players and coaches should be subjected to his negative attitude and limited production.

I'm willing to talk about the future, however, when other options are brought forward, I'm consistently reminded about what Cubs did in the past. People here get pissy over others not wanting Ramirez and Zambrano back.

 

[dabynsky]

To me, if Zambrano is paid to be an ace, which he was for moreorless 6 years with the Cubs, it slots Dempster down a peg or 2 in the rotation. When Ryan Dempster is asked to be an ace, when he never was successful at that before, that makes the team worse.

At any work environment, there usually is a person or 2 that prevents people from doing their job effectively, to me that guy was Bradley in 09. Unfortunately, Zambrano is becoming more and more that guy with the "we stinks" comment, and his many meltdowns, ejections, and temper tantrums. I don't see Zambrano as a G O A T that players and coaches should be subjected to his negative attitude and limited production.

I'm willing to talk about the future, however, when other options are brought forward, I'm consistently reminded about what Cubs did in the past. People here get pissy over others not wanting Ramirez and Zambrano back.

I get pissy over people pretending that getting rid of guys that have produced in the past will suddenly make the team better ignoring the lack of talent the team has currently and that removing these guys makes the team even worse.

I don't think Zambrano is amazing. I think Zambrano is showing the signs of the workloads that he was subjected to at a relatively young age for pitchers. I just think it is silly to compare baseball to other sports which you don't have to rely on guys to be in certain places at certain times like football. Zambrano being a jackass shouldn't affect Darwin Barney's (or anyone elses) hitting.

I don't care one way or the other if Zambrano is on the team. What I want the front office to do is put together the most talented group of 25 guys they can. If that includes Z so be it. If not, great.

 

[Captain Obvious]

To me, if Zambrano is paid to be an ace, which he was for moreorless 6 years with the Cubs, it slots Dempster down a peg or 2 in the rotation. When Ryan Dempster is asked to be an ace, when he never was successful at that before, that makes the team worse.

At any work environment, there usually is a person or 2 that prevents people from doing their job effectively, to me that guy was Bradley in 09. Unfortunately, Zambrano is becoming more and more that guy with the "we stinks" comment, and his many meltdowns, ejections, and temper tantrums. I don't see Zambrano as a G O A T that players and coaches should be subjected to his negative attitude and limited production.

I'm willing to talk about the future, however, when other options are brought forward, I'm consistently reminded about what Cubs did in the past. People here get pissy over others not wanting Ramirez and Zambrano back.

It's not like you provide better options to them.

 

[Lex L.]

Okay I am just curious, since I apparently never played a team sport, how did Zambrano being an idiot and quitting on the team affected Ryan Dempster's pitching last season? If it did I think that speaks more about Ryan Dempster than Carlos Zambrano. Does Zambrano's actions really affect the performance of the players around him? If guys really are so easily swayed from producing at their peak levels than that is a real problem and that needs to be fixed.

However, I think lack of talent was the problem the Cubs had last season and are more likely to have this coming season than culture. Focusing on anything except acquiring more talent for this team is a waste of time.

This is similar to something I pointed out and I got some aimless rant from some nitwit who, apparently, can't read.

I really hope Zambrano isn't being blamed for the team that played like it did last year after it played well enough for Quade's first month on the job. There's more to the problem than Zambrano and mgt should have never listened to the source of the problem when it came to hiring Quade. The team was lobbying on Quade's behalf. Look what that got Quade. I'm not saying Quade's an innocent bystander on a team of losers but I am saying the it's stupid how people aren't willing to admit the problem is more widespread than Zambrano. Zambrano is getting put up on the cross in order to spare other guys (guys that people like) and people are being oblivious.

 

[nwfisch]

When Quade was 22-13 as interim manager, Zambrano was undefeated.

When Quade became full-time manager, Wells and Cashner were on the DL after 12 combined innings.

Quade had his faults, however I don't think any of the current managerial candidates could have won 25 more games with the talent on the 2011 Cubs.

 

[Lex L.]

When Quade was 22-13 as interim manager, Zambrano was undefeated.

When Quade became full-time manager, Wells and Cashner were on the DL after 12 combined innings.

Quade had his faults, however I don't think any of the current managerial candidates could have won 25 more games with the talent on the 2011 Cubs.

That's your problem. You should be leaving that to someone else.

 

[nwfisch]

That's your problem. You should be leaving that to someone else.

Cool story bro

 

[Lex L.]

Cool story bro

It wasn't a story dumbass.