Royals Interested In Zambrano

[The Bandit]

i dont see Z retiring after deal.

You don't know that for sure though. And who was it that said Baseball is a business? You are right it is a business. But Businesses need to understand when say a stock (Zambrano) is a loss and eat the loss. If you play the stock market, your gonna get stocks that seem great and tank, you can either sell them right there and then for a loss or you hold on to them and hope they can gain there way back to the green. Zambrano is a negative stock period. You need to accept your losses and move on not continue to hope he is going to turn into a positive stock like he used to be.

 

[Capt. Serious]

I want Kila for Big Z.

#wishfulthinking

Kinda hard when he's with Oakland.

 

[Captain Obvious]

You don't know that for sure though. And who was it that said Baseball is a business? You are right it is a business. But Businesses need to understand when say a stock (Zambrano) is a loss and eat the loss. If you play the stock market, your gonna get stocks that seem great and tank, you can either sell them right there and then for a loss or you hold on to them and hope they can gain there way back to the green. Zambrano is a negative stock period. You need to accept your losses and move on not continue to hope he is going to turn into a positive stock like he used to be.

We should try to get as much as we can for him, yes. That's not what we're saying. We're saying that it is dumb to release him when he can provide value to the team.

 

[Jntg4]

Kinda hard when he's with Oakland.

Which is why I ed at waldo and told him that stupidity like that didn't deserve a written response when he asked why. :lol:

 

[waldo7239117]

Which is why I ed at waldo and told him that stupidity like that didn't deserve a written response when he asked why. :lol:

I actually new that, but I went along with it....for whatever reason.

I was confuse when he said that. I really have to stop 2nd guessing myself because I never go with my first thought.

However, Kila is available.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

No, I don't want him back. The whole reason I don't want him back is because I want to see a rebuild. My point is that if they don't rebuild, Z better be here or we better get some sort of deal for him.

this is the scenario i would most like to see happen..we get rid of zambrano who is declining and while still a decent pitcher has a tendency to blow up mentally and on the diamond...and we get some compensation for getting rid of him

 

[nwfisch]

What some on here fail to realize is that this isn't the ideal situation in whether or not what the percentages say on keeping Zambrano.

There ARE other factors like attitude, that have be taken into account.

A guy like Milton Bradley comes mind when thinking about biting the bullet. What Z did throughout his career has been much worse than what Bradley did.

 

[Lex L.]

really? saying he needs to play better is wrong? He was playing like dog shit of course he wanted to play better WTF you read way to much into things you sound like a conspiracy theorist



That isnt quitting on your team thats just not being very good Dempster is kind of old he is regressing he is likely done with the Cubs after next year. But to call that quitting based on that quote is ridiculous.

Your reading comprehension sucks.

 

[Rice Cube]

What some on here fail to realize is that this isn't the ideal situation in whether or not what the percentages say on keeping Zambrano.

There ARE other factors like attitude, that have be taken into account.

A guy like Milton Bradley comes mind when thinking about biting the bullet. What Z did throughout his career has been much worse than what Bradley did.

Carlos Zambrano is one of the best Cubs pitchers of all time, despite his subpar last couple seasons.

Milton Bradley had a hot year that he turned into a large payday although he was an above average player before that.

Apples and oranges.

 

[nwfisch]

Carlos Zambrano is one of the best Cubs pitchers of all time, despite his subpar last couple seasons.

Milton Bradley had a hot year that he turned into a large payday although he was an above average player before that.

Apples and oranges.

Both players have attitude problems, both players were suspended by the Cubs.

The real question is Zambrano nearing that production again?

I'm willing to say no, along with hopefully 30 MLB teams.

 

[Rice Cube]

Both players have attitude problems, both players were suspended by the Cubs.

The real question is Zambrano nearing that production again?

I'm willing to say no, along with hopefully 30 MLB teams.

Fisch. You're comparing a guy who's had lots of success with the Cubs including Cy Young votes and All Star appearances with an actual nutcase. Invalid.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

i see what fisch is doing with paralleling milton bradley and zambrano..and in some ways it does make sense..but yes there are some serious differences that dont help the argument

for one thing zambrano was with the team much longer and was much more consistent(mentally not always but as a pitcher overall you could except quality pitching)

milton bradley is arguably more extreme and psychotic..plus he was with the team one year, not a great player at all except that hot year he had with the rangers

 

[nwfisch]

Fisch. You're comparing a guy who's had lots of success with the Cubs including Cy Young votes and All Star appearances with an actual nutcase. Invalid.

I'm not saying Bradley is equal to Zambrano in terms of production.

Both are nutcases.

I realize Z's history, the Cubs need to quit being a museum for players. That's hopefully not why Theo was brought here.


You can look at Z's numbers, but what it doesn't say is that he was suspended and quit on his teammates. It also doesn't say the numerous times he had cramps by not staying properly hydrated. There are times where Z got ejected and forced the team into a short bullpen.

If there are a team full of players who quit on each other, there is no team.

Going forward, this team doesn't need a declining nutcase.

 

[Rice Cube]

You're actually comparing nutcase #1, who just yells at teammates, destroys a Gatorade machine here and there, and punched Michael Barrett once (he probably deserved it), with nutcase #2, who is a wifebeater and attacks umpires. Still does not compute.

Nutcase #1 has a charitable foundation and adopts Latin American orphans, by the way.

You absolutely have to look at production in order to determine whether it is worthwhile to keep him or not. The nutcase-ness is important too, but you have to wonder how much it will influence a rich guy who didn't get rich by accident to set a mound of money on fire just to get rid of said nutcase.

 

[nwfisch]

You're actually comparing nutcase #1, who just yells at teammates, destroys a Gatorade machine here and there, and punched Michael Barrett once (he probably deserved it), with nutcase #2, who is a wifebeater and attacks umpires. Still does not compute.

Nutcase #1 has a charitable foundation and adopts Latin American orphans, by the way.

You absolutely have to look at production in order to determine whether it is worthwhile to keep him or not. The nutcase-ness is important too, but you have to wonder how much it will influence a rich guy who didn't get rich by accident to set a mound of money on fire just to get rid of said nutcase.

That's great that Z does all the nice stuff off the field. I believe and agree with you that the most important thing is on the field production.

That said, it's about baseball and what's good for the team. If Zambrano quits in August next season, and the Cubs are in the playoff hunt, what'll the excuse be for him then?

 

[Rice Cube]

That's great that Z does all the nice stuff off the field. I believe and agree with you that the most important thing is on the field production.

That said, it's about baseball and what's good for the team. If Zambrano quits in August next season, and the Cubs are in the playoff hunt, what'll the excuse be for him then?

If the Cubs are in the playoff hunt next year, I don't think anyone would've quit :lol: It'd be nothing short of a miracle.

 

[Anno Catuli]

That's great that Z does all the nice stuff off the field. I believe and agree with you that the most important thing is on the field production.

That said, it's about baseball and what's good for the team. If Zambrano quits in August next season, and the Cubs are in the playoff hunt, what'll the excuse be for him then?

Do you honestly think he would have walked out had the Cubs been in contention? I dont.

Look back at his track record. Every time he flipped out it has been when the Cubs have been in major suck mode. He is a passionate ball player who wears his heart on his sleeve. When the team sucks, he takes it personally.

 

[nwfisch]

Do you honestly think he would have walked out had the Cubs been in contention? I dont.

Look back at his track record. Every time he flipped out it has been when the Cubs have been in major suck mode. He is a passionate ball player who wears his heart on his sleeve. When the team sucks, he takes it personally.

It's hard to say. I don't think he would have quit either. Though obviously we may never know.

That's nice that Z takes it personally, but a pitcher of his caliber should never have their spot skipped in the rotation barring injury.

At least Ramirez, who doesn't show fire and passion, still produces in the regular season regardless.

 

[Uman85]

You're actually comparing nutcase #1, who just yells at teammates, destroys a Gatorade machine here and there, and punched Michael Barrett once (he probably deserved it), with nutcase #2, who is a wifebeater and attacks umpires. Still does not compute.

Nutcase #1 has a charitable foundation and adopts Latin American orphans, by the way.

You absolutely have to look at production in order to determine whether it is worthwhile to keep him or not. The nutcase-ness is important too, but you have to wonder how much it will influence a rich guy who didn't get rich by accident to set a mound of money on fire just to get rid of said nutcase.

Wow. Just wow.

His behavior is excused because he has a charity and adopts orphans. He's a saint. Most athletes and celebs start charities to save face, not because they're doing it out of the goodness of their heart. It's a PR move. I think some of you guys would defend satan if he wore a Cubs uniform.

 

[Anno Catuli]

I continued to be amazed with how much people care about the chemistry and/or culture of this team as if that is the reason this team has missed the playoffs three years in a row.

Yeah, that means nothing to a baseball team. What amazes me is the utter BS people will put up with because they love certain players so much.

The Cubs forum is full of know-it-alls. No wonder Poodski left and others either leave or stay away from it entirely.

Team Chemistry is complete bullshit. TALENT wins, not chemistry. Look at the 1970s As teams. Those guys hated each other and they won several championships.

Tinker to Evers to Chance? Guess what, they hated each other as well. Not a happy bunch of friends.

Give me a team of talent over a team of friends any day of the week