Royals Interested In Zambrano

[Captain Obvious]

Nowhere did I say this team lost 90 games because of bad chemistry.

Now, let's try to keep up.

GOING FORWARD, this team needs to rid itself of players like Zambrano. Meaning, now is the time for him to go. Dempster, among others, has stated that he's not good for the team anymore. You don't quit on a team and throw temper tantrums time and again and just get clean slate after clean slate. There are consequences. You say baseball is a business? If that's the case, then Zambrano definitely needs to go. I can't think of any respectable business that would keep someone like him employed.

PRETTY SIMPLE.

All of that "good for the team" garbage goes out the door if the Cubs are winning. What gives you a better shot at winning? A) Spending 18 million dollars on nothing or B) Spending 18 million dollars on a 2-3 win SP?

 

[nwfisch]

All of that "good for the team" garbage goes out the door if the Cubs are winning. What gives you a better shot at winning? A) Spending 18 million dollars on nothing or B) Spending 18 million dollars on a 2-3 win SP?

Couldn't the argument be made that Zambrano leaving the rotation cost the Cubs wins?

 

[Uman85]

Yeah, **** character players. As long as they produce, it doesn't matter if they've robbed a bank or killed a man if the team wins.

I'd hate to see you run any business or professional organization.

Actually, that'd be amusing to see it go down in flames all the while you stand pat and continue to believe you're right all the time. :lmao:

 

[Rice Cube]

Couldn't the argument be made that Zambrano leaving the rotation cost the Cubs wins?

In 2010 that was because the front office was Special person and moved him to the bullpen. Then they suspended him after he blew up (what'd you expect after you jerked him around all season?)

In 2011 that was partly him sucking and partly because the Cubs needed a scapegoat after mishandling the locker room situation. Way to throw your guy under the bus when you're trying to trade him. Awesome. Suspended again.

Not excusing Z for his blowups, but the old Cubs way of dealing with players wasn't working. Z could've stayed in the rotation, but what I observed is that the Cubs wouldn't let him. He was arguably better than Randy Wells and better than whoever the fifth starter du jour was.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Couldn't the argument be made that Zambrano leaving the rotation cost the Cubs wins?

I'm not saying that I want him back, because I think this year is going to be more of a rebuild, get situated year. However, the point is that if you are trying to put the best team out there, Z is pretty much going to have to be in your plans. He certainly makes last years team better.

Yeah, **** character players. As long as they produce, it doesn't matter if they've robbed a bank or killed a man if the team wins.

I'd hate to see you run any business or professional organization.

Actually, that'd be amusing to see it go down in flames all the while you stand pat and continue to believe you're right all the time. :lmao:

I never said that this is how I would run my business. I'm saying this is how baseball works.

The goal is to win the WS. You do this by creating a winning team. You get a winning team by having the best players. Z is one of the 5 best SPs on this team.

Is he a pain in the ass? Yes, he is. However, that does not mean that he can not produce. Sure it might give the Cubs a bad image for a while, but if we win it all goes away. Then the media turns a tirade into a spark.

 

[bleacherbum54]

I'm not saying that I want him back, because I think this year is going to be more of a rebuild, get situated year. However, the point is that if you are trying to put the best team out there, Z is pretty much going to have to be in your plans. He certainly makes last years team better.


I never said that this is how I would run my business. I'm saying this is how baseball works.

The goal is to win the WS. You do this by creating a winning team. You get a winning team by having the best players. Z is one of the 5 best SPs on this team.

Is he a pain in the ass? Yes, he is. However, that does not mean that he can not produce. Sure it might give the Cubs a bad image for a while, but if we win it all goes away. Then the media turns a tirade into a spark.

so you want to rebuild and want Z here to be part of it? That has to be the dumbest idea ever.

 

[nwfisch]

I'm not saying that I want him back, because I think this year is going to be more of a rebuild, get situated year. However, the point is that if you are trying to put the best team out there, Z is pretty much going to have to be in your plans. He certainly makes last years team better.


I never said that this is how I would run my business. I'm saying this is how baseball works.

The goal is to win the WS. You do this by creating a winning team. You get a winning team by having the best players. Z is one of the 5 best SPs on this team.

Is he a pain in the ass? Yes, he is. However, that does not mean that he can not produce. Sure it might give the Cubs a bad image for a while, but if we win it all goes away. Then the media turns a tirade into a spark.

If the Cubs are rebuilding, I don't want Z near this team. He is an asshole to the team, and a team full of assholes who quit, leaves no team at all.

If the Cubs plan on trying again with a failed plan, keep Z.

His wins are meaningless if the Cubs can't trade him, or get to the playoffs. Every team wins 60, loses 60. The other 42 are what separate the Cubs from the Cardinals.

 

[Captain Obvious]

If the Cubs are rebuilding, I don't want Z near this team. He is an asshole to the team, and a team full of assholes who quit, leaves no team at all.

If the Cubs plan on trying again with a failed plan, keep Z.

His wins are meaningless if the Cubs can't trade him, or get to the playoffs. Every team wins 60, loses 60. The other 42 are what separate the Cubs from the Cardinals.

No, I don't want him back. The whole reason I don't want him back is because I want to see a rebuild. My point is that if they don't rebuild, Z better be here or we better get some sort of deal for him.

 

[bleacherbum54]

If the Cubs are rebuilding, I don't want Z near this team. He is an asshole to the team, and a team full of assholes who quit, leaves no team at all.

If the Cubs plan on trying again with a failed plan, keep Z.

His wins are meaningless if the Cubs can't trade him, or get to the playoffs. Every team wins 60, loses 60. The other 42 are what separate the Cubs from the Cardinals.

and the Cubs are rebuilding they have to. They are that bad of a team talent wise at the MLB league level that they have 2.

 

[waldo7239117]

OK, so we totally should have kept Silva...

Silva isn't good, Zambrano has the potential for an outstanding game.

 

[Jntg4]

Silva isn't good, Zambrano has the potential for an outstanding game.

So you are saying we should keep him because he has a chance to have an occasional "outstanding game" if he can keep his head on straight (which we know he can't) and after he walked out on the team?

 

[brett05]

Over the past years there have been others that have "walked out" on the Cubs. Z is not alone

 

[MSOADE54]

Either way I am fine with it, if we keep him fine, just will always remember him kinda walking out.

 

[Lex L.]

Over the past years there have been others that have "walked out" on the Cubs. Z is not alone

This is a great point. Zambrano rubs people the wrong way because he acts out like a petulant child. Most of the time though, you know that he's cared. You know that performence has mattered to him even if he acted like a jerk. Some of the people who are looking innocent in all of this might be the guys who care too little. It's been a toxic situation because we probably have had a lot of guys mailing it in but they get a pass (even lauded) because they do it in a way that's not as demonstrative as what you've seen with Zambrano. Brett is probably right. There have been a lot of guys who mailed it in long before.

I'll give you an example. Dempster. He's very likeable. He's entertaining. He can work the room. He's one of he most charismatic Cubs, perhaps ever. But when he was interviewed earlier this offseason about Theo, they asked him about being back with the Cubs and his performence. Dempster said that he knows he needs to perform better. My question is, if he has been as fully dedicated as he should have been, shouldn't his comment have been, "I hope I can turn it around". Because that would suggest he's doing all he can already and he's not sure what more he can do. To say matter of factly that he needs to do better, kind of sounds like he has let his foot off the gas in recent years. And I doubt he's the only one.

 

[bleacherbum54]

This is a great point. Zambrano rubs people the wrong way because he acts out like a petulant child. Most of the time though, you know that he's cared. You know that performence has mattered to him even if he acted like a jerk. Some of the people who are looking innocent in all of this might be the guys who care too little. It's been a toxic situation because we probably have had a lot of guys mailing it in but they get a pass (even lauded) because they do it in a way that's not as demonstrative as what you've seen with Zambrano. Brett is probably right. There have been a lot of guys who mailed it in long before.

I'll give you an example. Dempster. He's very likeable. He's entertaining. He can work the room. He's one of he most charismatic Cubs, perhaps ever. But when he was interviewed earlier this offseason about Theo, they asked him about being back with the Cubs and his performence. Dempster said that he knows he needs to perform better. My question is, if he has been as fully dedicated as he should have been, shouldn't his comment have been, "I hope I can turn it around". Because that would suggest he's doing all he can already and he's not sure what more he can do. To say matter of factly that he needs to do better, kind of sounds like he has let his foot off the gas in recent years. And I doubt he's the only one.

really? saying he needs to play better is wrong? He was playing like dog shit of course he wanted to play better WTF you read way to much into things you sound like a conspiracy theorist



That isnt quitting on your team thats just not being very good Dempster is kind of old he is regressing he is likely done with the Cubs after next year. But to call that quitting based on that quote is ridiculous.

 

[nwfisch]

really? saying he needs to play better is wrong? He was playing like dog shit of course he wanted to play better WTF you read way to much into things you sound like a conspiracy theorist



That isnt quitting on your team thats just not being very good Dempster is kind of old he is regressing he is likely done with the Cubs after next year. But to call that quitting based on that quote is ridiculous.

Remember Lex was the same person who thought that the refs in the Bulls/Pacers series was conspiring to get the Bulls to lose.

 

[daddies3angels]

again! It makes no sense for Cubs to trade him while paying for 90%+ on contract. Z HAS to pitch well / not be problem in clubhouse, if he wants another contract. So Cubs need to hold on to him and hope he has good 1st halve and trade him at deadline for specs that are usefull and not eat money. If he does cause problem you send him home, no different then paying him for another team

 

[bleacherbum54]

again! It makes no sense for Cubs to trade him while paying for 90%+ on contract. Z HAS to pitch well / not be problem in clubhouse, if he wants another contract. So Cubs need to hold on to him and hope he has good 1st halve and trade him at deadline for specs that are usefull and not eat money. If he does cause problem you send him home, no different then paying him for another team

Z has been on record that he will retire after this contract. (I dont know how believable he is but he said he is done after this contract)

June 5, 2009: After recording his 100th career victory, Zambrano said he would retire after his contract with the Cubs was finished. "After this contract, I'm done," Zambrano said at the time (via MLB.com). "I'm serious. I don't want to play. I want to help this team, I want to do everything possible to win with this team, but after five years or four years, or whatever I have left on my contract, I just don't want to play."

Carlos Zambrano's greatest snits - CBSSports.com

 

[Rice Cube]

If Z was going to retire he's going to get less in trade than you think anyway. Might as well keep him instead of setting the pile of money on fire.

 

[daddies3angels]

i dont see Z retiring after deal.