Ryan Poles Responsibility for JF's Injury

[Anytime23]

While Poles was dealt a really shitty hand with the mess Pace left him, he also is extremely lucky. You inherit a roster so awful that you get two years of blaming everything on Pace. You get two years of drafting absolutely anyone outside of QB and it completely makes sense because there isn't a single position group on this team that couldn't use an upgrade.

Poles got to draft BPA and look like such a smart guy, even though non-Poles smokers realized helping your QB was more important than improving your D, which is as bad as its ever been.

 

[truthbedamned]

Passing on George Pickens was enough for me to to say this guy sucks. I wish I could say he's shown absolutely nothing, but he has has. He has shown he's not very good at this so far.

Last think this organization that is chalk full with inept executives that don't have a raging clue about the actual football aspect is a GM learning on the job.

This is why a lot of teams passed on Pickens

 

[Anytime23]

This is why a lot of teams passed on Pickens

LMAO

 

[ZenBear34]

Glad you agree. There are still a lot of Poles supporters...

How could anyone draw a conclusion on Poles either way? He's done exactly what he needed to do in his first year. This team was not an off-season away. Wether or not he can build a team is literally unknowable at this point. He's set up to do so now. The idea that people are already writing him off because he didn't take George Pickens is peak football stupid.

I'll never understand the need to draw conclusions at the start of the process. Step one is tear down. The rest is tbd.

 

[remydat]

I don't know what you're high on but it's a lot stronger than weed if you think Jones is outplaying "every tackle taken before him".

There were other oline positions of need besides OT more suited to 2nd round. There were also WRs taken after our picks that have proven themselves to be of more value to their teams than our CB & S.

Jones is the 22nd best T per PFF. Of the 1st round tackles, Cross is the closest as he ranks 41st.

Let's play a game. Which OL did you want him to pick and I will tell you who grades out higher?

 

[ZenBear34]

While Poles was dealt a really shitty hand with the mess Pace left him, he also is extremely lucky. You inherit a roster so awful that you get two years of blaming everything on Pace. You get two years of drafting absolutely anyone outside of QB and it completely makes sense because there isn't a single position group on this team that couldn't use an upgrade.

Poles got to draft BPA and look like such a smart guy, even though non-Poles smokers realized helping your QB was more important than improving your D, which is as bad as its ever been.

What does this even mean? This team was a mess. The reality is he took over a team saddled with overpaid underperforming veterans and little draft capital. He's doing exactly what he should be doing. Why judge him now? What else could he have done? I don't think anyone is blindly assuming he's a genius and the Bears are guaranteed to be be a competitive team because of him.

I see two camps. People who see that this team needed a major overhaul and are willing to wait and see how the process will turn out, and people who have decided he's terrible because he didn't draft George Pickens.

 

[napo55]

General comment:
CCS members, as a rule, doNOT want to draft OL (non-playmakers) in the first 2 rounds. They want the the explosive playmakers, i.e., WR, Edge Rusher, etc. instead (i.e fantasy football stat guys). But the WR cannot make plays IF the QB does not have time to / and/or consistent pocket to throw from. With that said, Fields gives them more time by scrambling. Think if he had consistent and didn't need to scramble every pass play.
If Poles invests in OL in FA and OL early in the the draft, the Bears could have an exciting offense without Fields needing to rush for 100+ yards a game.
Be patient until FA, draft, and see what they can put together.

Edit: I addition, how long has it been since the Bears actually adjusted plays and scheme based upon team skills as well as adjusting during the game. The Bears coaching staff is doing that yet some want them to be fired? Just ridiculous. Some CSS members are brain dread.

I wonder how many young, quality FAs won't be signed or franchised? Poles is betting he can buy quality with all that cap space ---and it remains to be seen. The true test will be how he spends the cap money and, for instance, whether the money that could have signed or franchised Roquan Smith is better spent in FA and is a net positive.

 

[Anytime23]

What does this even mean? This team was a mess. The reality is he took over a team saddled with overpaid underperforming veterans and little draft capital. He's doing exactly what he should be doing. Why judge him now? What else could he have done? I don't think anyone is blindly assuming he's a genius and the Bears are guaranteed to be be a competitive team because of him.

I see two camps. People who see that this team needed a major overhaul and are willing to wait and see how the process will turn out, and people who have decided he's terrible because he didn't draft George Pickens.

I'm not judging him now, im criticizing him now. If we can criticize Fields for poor play despite being in a shit situation then Poles gets criticized too.

If you only see two camps then your eyes aren't open. There's a good chunk of fans who have acknowledged that he's been put in a real shitty position(myself included, the poster who warned you all about Pace while everyone was celebrating his EOTY award) while also pleading that he do absolutely anything of substance to support his QB, someone who showed enough to merit building around.

Just tired of the same posters who burry their head in the sand and agree with every decision he does and doesnt make. I said i was willing to give him 3 years and i still am but that doesnt mean blindly agreeing with everything he does.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

I wonder how many young, quality FAs won't be signed or franchised? Poles is betting he can buy quality with all that cap space ---and it remains to be seen. The true test will be how he spends the cap money and, for instance, whether the money that could have signed or franchised Roquan Smith is better spent in FA and is a net positive.

Good to see you crying again

 

[ZenBear34]

I'm not judging him now, im criticizing him now. If we can criticize Fields for poor play despite being in a shit situation then Poles gets criticized too.

If you only see two camps then your eyes aren't open. There's a good chunk of fans who have acknowledged that he's been put in a real shitty position(myself included, the poster who warned you all about Pace while everyone was celebrating his EOTY award) while also pleading that he do absolutely anything of substance to support his QB, someone who showed enough to merit building around.

Just tired of the same posters who burry their head in the sand and agree with every decision he does and doesnt make. I said i was willing to give him 3 years and i still am but that doesnt mean blindly agreeing with everything he does.

You go into an off-season with with a roster full of big contracts on a defense that sucked and little cap space and limited draft picks. Again, what was he supposed to do? $18 mil a season for Christian Kirk? George Pickens? And he's a genius then?

Again, the offense is averaging 29.6 ppg the last 5 weeks. Despite "not doing anything of substance" to support Fields, the offense is scoring points and producing more than enough to win. In year one of the rebuild, the Bears are a couple players away from a good offense. So they've built the foundation of a quality offense. There is more to doing that than just signing/drafting players. It's about developing players, having coaches who put players in positions to succeed.

I just don't understand the criticism right now. No ones blindly agreeing with everything he's done. There is no way to sit and judge one move or another at this point. We have no idea what the final product is. This season was about tearing down. He's turned over, what, 60% of the roster in 10 months? This season isn't about results, so I have no idea what your or anyone else's criticism is based on. The fact that the Bears have been in basically every game and are a few plays away from being in play-off picture should give you nothing but optimism for the future. This isn't a team that's getting embarrassed every week. So if Poles can do that with basically nothing to work with, it's not unreasonable to believe he can do more with actual resources.

 

[Username]

Glad you agree. There are still a lot of Poles supporters...

I wouldn't say a lot. Just a few loud mouth meat heads. See here: Why all the trust in Poles?

 

[Myk]

Name a tackle who has been better. The defense needs way more help than the offense. The Bears are averaging 29.6 ppg the last 5 weeks. Brisker looks like a stud. The narrative does not match the facts.

Ikem Ekwonu, Charles Cross.

The defense needs NO help until Bears can protect the QB. None, absolutely nothing. Your narrative doesn't match the facts of about 4 decades of a losing team let alone the facts of the team since the anti-defense rule changes so the NFL could have exciting high scoring games.
I get it, you like being worse than the Browns. Are you even a fan of the Bears or a troll from another team trying to convince fans to cry for more defense before we have an offense?

 

[remydat]

Ikem Ekwonu, Charles Cross.

Jones grade is 71.1 and ranks 22nd

Cross grade is 65.3 and ranks 41st

Ekwonu's grade us 64.3 and ranks 43rd.

Jones is a 5th rounder with similar production as first rounders. That is a win for Poles. Sorry.

 

[Thedude]

Braxton Jones has outplayed every tackle drafted before him. So I guess you would feel better if he drafted a tackle in the 2nd round? But the results would be worse.

Poles had limited resources, what did you want him to do?

Poles hit big time with the Braxton Jones pick, one of the best picks in entire draft and I like the first 2 picks as well. Dude the depth chart of the offense is ridiculously bad! Just imagine if BJ was playing like a 5th rd pick. The oline he assembled is borderline criminal and the WR’s group is laughable (Mooney and who?)

Cupboard is pretty bare. Then there is the Defense

 

[truthbedamned]

LMAO

Glad you liked it. You know damned well the McKuskys are never going to allow a pick with character concerns and Pickens had plenty of them. Would I rather they picked him instead of Gorden?

Of course.

 

[Anytime23]

Glad you liked it.

no I’m laughing at you thinking teams passed on him because of a dumb penalty at the end of a game that made no difference in winning or losing

You go into an off-season with with a roster full of big contracts on a defense that sucked and little cap space and limited draft picks. Again, what was he supposed to do? $18 mil a season for Christian Kirk? George Pickens? And he's a genius then?

Again, the offense is averaging 29.6 ppg the last 5 weeks. Despite "not doing anything of substance" to support Fields, the offense is scoring points and producing more than enough to win. In year one of the rebuild, the Bears are a couple players away from a good offense. So they've built the foundation of a quality offense. There is more to doing that than just signing/drafting players. It's about developing players, having coaches who put players in positions to succeed.

I just don't understand the criticism right now. No ones blindly agreeing with everything he's done. There is no way to sit and judge one move or another at this point. We have no idea what the final product is. This season was about tearing down. He's turned over, what, 60% of the roster in 10 months? This season isn't about results, so I have no idea what your or anyone else's criticism is based on. The fact that the Bears have been in basically every game and are a few plays away from being in play-off picture should give you nothing but optimism for the future. This isn't a team that's getting embarrassed every week. So if Poles can do that with basically nothing to work with, it's not unreasonable to believe he can do more with actual resources.

@BEARZOMBIE @ThatGuyRyan predictable.

 

[truthbedamned]

You obviously didn't read my edit. And if you think I care if an entity from the internet laughs at me.....

 

[napo55]

You go into an off-season with with a roster full of big contracts on a defense that sucked and little cap space and limited draft picks. Again, what was he supposed to do? $18 mil a season for Christian Kirk? George Pickens? And he's a genius then?

Again, the offense is averaging 29.6 ppg the last 5 weeks. Despite "not doing anything of substance" to support Fields, the offense is scoring points and producing more than enough to win. In year one of the rebuild, the Bears are a couple players away from a good offense. So they've built the foundation of a quality offense. There is more to doing that than just signing/drafting players. It's about developing players, having coaches who put players in positions to succeed.

I just don't understand the criticism right now. No ones blindly agreeing with everything he's done. There is no way to sit and judge one move or another at this point. We have no idea what the final product is. This season was about tearing down. He's turned over, what, 60% of the roster in 10 months? This season isn't about results, so I have no idea what your or anyone else's criticism is based on. The fact that the Bears have been in basically every game and are a few plays away from being in play-off picture should give you nothing but optimism for the future. This isn't a team that's getting embarrassed every week. So if Poles can do that with basically nothing to work with, it's not unreasonable to believe he can do more with actual resources.

You don't understand the criticism of Poles. Well, if you believe as many do that in the draft and free agency he should have prioritized supporting Fields with O line help and WR help, then you would understand. If you disagree, fine, but please understand the criticism.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

I think it was more the swing that Pickens took at a player even after everyone was already trying to break them up

Just a dumb bone headed play

 

[Thedude]

How could anyone draw a conclusion on Poles either way? He's done exactly what he needed to do in his first year. This team was not an off-season away. Wether or not he can build a team is literally unknowable at this point. He's set up to do so now. The idea that people are already writing him off because he didn't take George Pickens is peak football stupid.

I'll never understand the need to draw conclusions at the start of the process. Step one is tear down. The rest is tbd.

I don’t think he was sold on Fields. I think he was accumulating assets to move up for a QB in upcoming draft. He didn’t add any core player durning last years offseason and pissed away a year of Fields rookie contract.

Still rooting for the guy