SCF - 6/15 Game 2: Bruins (0) vs (1) Blackhawks 7:00PM NBCS

[mikita's helmet]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Ashor-redtribe" data-cid="201122" data-time="1371357359">

This team is way over matched, period.</p></blockquote>


Go listen to some Depeche Mode and chill.

 

[the canadian dream]

overmatched?</p>


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If anything these two teams match up perfectly as many have been saying since the series began. This series is going to be one for the history books if you are a fan of either Chicago or Boston and like tight playoff hockey..its nerve racking as a fan but its good hockey with a lot to talk about.</p>


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why does it sound like the Hawks just lost 8-0 in game 4 and got swept?</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

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I don't give a shit if Toews has been good defensively. MUCH, MUCH MORE is expected from him. He is a fucking BLACK HOLE offensively. It's pathetic. Pretty much any time he touches the puck in the offensive zone, it's going the other way. How many board battles has he won in this series? I can't recall a single one. He looks weak out there. Completely overmatched.</p>
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You are over-reacting to a loss. Hes been fine along the boards and he is one of the only few getting at the net..not just trying to get there but actually getting at it (he and Bickell). Been shown time and time again that he has been clutched and grabbed worse than any other player these playoffs. Goals are not going to come easy for him because he doesn't sit in the slot like the Sharps and Hossas and shots aren't getting through to him at the net. Christ you play the game you should be able to notice these things. Hes been good down low in the offensive zone..not great but good enough. Not exactly getting the bounces in that clogged up area...and boy oh boy is it ever clogged up these playoffs. Never seen it this bad.</p>


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We disagree on the importance of defensive production also I guess. Like has been said a zillion times give me a guy like Toews who is at least playing well at one end of the ice when he isn't scoring over a guy like Kane who adds nothing when he isn't scoring and can become a problem like he was on the first goal against tonight. Would never see Toews float like that at the blueline when the puck battles going on behind the net. And again I know why Kane does it but he does it way too much for my tastes. Kanes become a high risk/high reward type of player these playoffs. Sort of sad but its fucking fantastic when the awards do come. They don't come enough.</p>


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Toews also creates far more turnovers by the other team and has the second highest take aways on the team (17) while being in the very low numbers of turn overs himself with 3 these playoffs. So not sure what you are seeing with him turning over the puck a lot. It's not happening.</p>

 

[mikita's helmet]

The Hawks are 3-4 on the road, so I can see us winning in Boston, hopefully, Monday.


If not Monday, then Wednesday.


We beat Detroit at the Joe in an elimination game, and ended the Kings 15 game home-winning streak, no reason we can't win in Boston.

 

[the canadian dream]

I bet Stalberg plays in Boston also. Not because Bollig has been bad but because it's easier to use Bollig on home ice than on the road. Even though I don't mind him being in the game I still don't think he is someone you want the opposition exploiting with last line change (That's not saying Stalberg is a great wall either).</p>


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I would take me up on that bet also because 90% im wrong so its an easy money maker for anyone that takes it.</p>

 

[R K]

Stalberg looked excellent in the drills they were doing this morning.  Not sure what Q's problem is but he better get over it.</p>

 

[bookjones]

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toews hasnt been useless. he certainly needs to find a way to score which has been a skipping record. but useless? not a chance. he continues to be one of the best defensive forwards on the ice. no one disagrees he needs to find that goal scoring. at this point i dont think its going to happen. the timely goal would certainly be nice though.


get kane off the floating shit again also. hes only been a difference maker when he involves himself more below the blueline. dont mind him thinking offense and i dont expect him to be mr awesome back checker but jesus when he floats bad like tonight its frustrating. first goal against was a clear example of his floating.</p>
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Your Kaner assessment for tonight is correct but I would also add the caveat reminder that TOI distribution was NOT ideal tonight. Kaner only got 19 mins. When 6 forwards on your team have more mins than your most elite scorer then that's a problem in the SCF. When 7 forwards on your team have more mins than Sharpie who was EN FUEGO in the 1st then that's a problem. I understand the Bs 1st goal was that line's fault but IMO, the SCF is neither the time nor the fucking place for benching and lesson-learning when it comes to players who are viable threats. It's called Cup playoffs urgency. What would have likely been better than giving Kaner more pine would have been reuniting him with Toews to see if that gives you an advantage to get something sparked in his game, grab his attention or motivation, and  perhaps close the shit out. . .because IT'S THE FUCKING SCF!  If he's psyched or jinxed himself into only delivering when playing with Toews then just give into that shit at least for opportune parts of a game because he needs to score since  IT'S THE FUCKING SCF! You have to put your team and its especial talents in the most advantageous position possible to win first and foremost. </p>


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Wonky TOI stats aside, I repeat again like we've all said, the PP sucked worse than rancid balls. Also? Faceoffs were a fucking joke outside of Zus who did his part on that front. They lost this one in SO many way from the 3rd Per onward it was painful. </p>

 

[the canadian dream]

sure did books...sure did. Lots of little things that caught up with them at the end for sure the only ones they can blame are themselves.</p>


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lol at rancid balls but that pretty much discribes the pp. Frustrating because that first pp they had tonight was nice even though they didn't score. How can you go from passing the puck so smoothly and moving your feet like that first pp to completely looking like garbage with the rest of them? Don't get it. Hawks had a lot of chances to take this game before it got to OT even with that no goal which doesn't even bother me. I think we all felt the loss coming in OT..that was Boston domination. Hawks even got away with a delay of game because Paille did not touch that clearing attempt. Not that it matters because the PK still looks good to me.</p>


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Im not surprised by the split on home ice anyways. I expect a split in Boston also. This suckers going 6 or 7.</p>


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Bruins did make it tougher on the Hawks blueliners tonight also. Gotta give them and Julien a little credit for that adjustment. We all know the transition game starts with them. After that 1st period they really put the pressure on our blueline. Expect the same game plan in game 3.</p>

 

[bookjones]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="The Canadian Dreamalchuk" data-cid="201132" data-time="1371364752">
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sure did books...sure did. Lots of little things that caught up with them at the end for sure the only ones they can blame are themselves.</p>


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lol at rancid balls but that pretty much discribes the pp. Frustrating because that first pp they had tonight was nice even though they didn't score. How can you go from passing the puck so smoothly and moving your feet like that first pp to completely looking like garbage with the rest of them? Don't get it. Hawks had a lot of chances to take this game before it got to OT even with that no goal which doesn't even bother me. </p>


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Im not surprised by the split on home ice anyways. I expect a split in Boston also. This suckers going 6 or 7.</p>
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Ahahaha! I have given up trying to wrap my brain around it man. It's causes a cognitive dissonance. I said the same thing fucking VERBATIM in Chirp during the game. How can a team who plays good ole E/S hockey LIKE A FUCKING BOSS with so much movement, so much dependent on excellent skating, so much transition just completely fucking stand still and NOT know how to make the PP move is beyond my level of comprehension. It's like they become paralyzed from the pressure of it all at this juncture. </p>

 

[Irish Hawk]

****! Hawks should have been out of sight in that one before Boston found their game. Towes and Kane were invisible in that game. The disallowed goal was a bullshit call but still no excuse as they could have easily had a few goals if not for poor finishing, Rask and a captain who is MIA. Have to say I'm not blown away with Boston. Don't get me wrong they are a great team but they are just taking their chances and making them count where as the Hawks aren't. There's a fair bit of thinking to do for the coaches before tomorrows game.  </p>

 

[Ashor-redtribe]

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Go listen to some Depeche Mode and chill.</p>
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I actually am, wow your good! Im just pissed, because after the first period we let them back in it. OT was just horrid. Anyway Its fathers day today, and Im over it.</p>


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<span style="font-size:24px;">Happy Fathers day Everyone!</span></p>

 

[xatruio]

agree with trev, dont blame bollig, that cough up is way more common n bad mid-June ice late in a period. Sharp's turnover was WAY worse. Surprise Bollig didnt have more ice time since he was so effective in gm1. Wouldnt mind Stalberg back for gm3.

Also, we did get fucking dominated after the 1st, esp after Kelly's goal. I kept saying to myself "we look like the fucking bruins, turning over the puck so damn much"

just like how the troll will return after the first win all high and mighty, do fucking implode after only one game. We're coming back and this team always learns from mistakes game to game as shown all year.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

OMG THE HAWKS DIDN'T SWEEP!??!?!</p>


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Season over!!</p>

 

[Ton]

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Stalberg looked excellent in the drills they were doing this morning.  Not sure what Q's problem is but he better get over it.</p>
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Bollig looked really good on that OT goal.</p>


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Good game overall. Zero points, zero shots, zero hits, zero blocked shots, zero takeaways, 2 giveaways, -1.</p>

 

[Ton]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Trev" data-cid="201111" data-time="1371356079">
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lol, let's blame Bollig for the Hawks not showing up after the 1st period. </p>


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Did he lose the puck on the boards?  Yes.  Does that happen to even the best players in the league?  Yes.  Did that result in a goal?  Yes.</p>


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What about Sharp turning the puck over on the 1st bruins goal?  You know, when he took it back into his zone behind the net and lost possession?  Which resulted in a goal? </p>


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Where has Kane been? Hossa?  Toews? Our power play?</p>
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Best players in the league score goals... and Sharp scored. That's the difference. Players like Sharp actually contribute to the team in other areas. Oduya and Keith are guilty of turning the puck over a couple times, Hjalmarsson has done it before, Hossa, Toews, you can go on and on... but again they make up for it in other ways throughout the course of the game, there is the upside knowing that they can make a great play (defensively or offensively) or even making up for their gaffes in the same shift. It's as simple as that, no going in depth about it. So when those players make a mistake, it usually cancels out in the end. That upside doesn't exist with Bollig on the ice.</p>


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I still don't know why Bollig is on the ice over players that can actually play hockey. Not just Stalberg, or Mayers, or Carcillo... but Ben Smith, Jeremy Morin, Brandon Pirri. I'm still having trouble seeing what he contributes to this team.</p>


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The obsession Q has with him is even above Matt Walker at this point. Q made a mistake by dressing Bollig, and it cost him game two.</p>


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Blame Toews if you want, the guy that usually has one or two players literally on his back each shift, or Hossa who leads the team in points. I feel bad for Kruger and Frolik having a handicap like Bollig out there. If he keeps playing, it will not help the Hawks win this series. Period. There's no upside to having him dressed. I'm not blaming the 4th line plug, or saying all the Hawks problems don't exist... I'm just being honest... he looked like a peewee on that play and it cost the game.</p>

 

[xatruio]

still dont think he isnt effective. Hey look, lets ignore his big contribution to the first game because of one bad turnover that capped off a HORRENDOUS puck possession game from pretty much the entire team. Yes, he didnt show up with as many hits and wasnt around the net as much (even though he doesnt score, when hes playing well, aside from hitting, he usually drives the net and has a chance in the slot). Dunno if Q just played him less or he wasnt on his game, which is why i would want Stalberg out there for game3, but at the same time, cant blame it all on him, jebus.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Ton DeFrancesco" data-cid="201143" data-time="1371408206">
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Best players in the league score goals... and Sharp scored. That's the difference. Players like Sharp actually contribute to the team in other areas. Oduya and Keith are guilty of turning the puck over a couple times, Hjalmarsson has done it before, Hossa, Toews, you can go on and on... but again they make up for it in other ways throughout the course of the game, there is the upside knowing that they can make a great play (defensively or offensively) or even making up for their gaffes in the same shift. It's as simple as that, no going in depth about it. So when those players make a mistake, it usually cancels out in the end. That upside doesn't exist with Bollig on the ice.</p>


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I still don't know why Bollig is on the ice over players that can actually play hockey. Not just Stalberg, or Mayers, or Carcillo... but Ben Smith, Jeremy Morin, Brandon Pirri. I'm still having trouble seeing what he contributes to this team.</p>


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The obsession Q has with him is even above Matt Walker at this point. Q made a mistake by dressing Bollig, and it cost him game two.</p>


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Blame Toews if you want, the guy that usually has one or two players literally on his back each shift, or Hossa who leads the team in points. I feel bad for Kruger and Frolik having a handicap like Bollig out there. If he keeps playing, it will not help the Hawks win this series. Period. There's no upside to having him dressed. I'm not blaming the 4th line plug, or saying all the Hawks problems don't exist... I'm just being honest... he looked like a peewee on that play and it cost the game.</p>
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My point is those bad bounces and play on the boards happen to everybody.  Bollig got caught on a mishandle. </p>


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IMO Bollig is on the ice because he's a big body who can match up with anyone if things get crazy (which we all know Boston can do), he plays physical and decent on the forecheck.  He's typically not a liabitlity in his own zone despite what happened last night. </p>


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I honestly think Carcillo would be a bit more effective in that spot as he's a bit more skilled, but that's what you are looking for from your 12th forward, who plays on the 4th line and the least minutes of everyone. </p>

 

[Ton]

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My point is those bad bounces and play on the boards happen to everybody.  Bollig got caught on a mishandle. </p>


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IMO Bollig is on the ice because he's a big body who can match up with anyone if things get crazy (which we all know Boston can do), he plays physical and decent on the forecheck.  He's typically not a liabitlity in his own zone despite what happened last night. </p>


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I honestly think Carcillo would be a bit more effective in that spot as he's a bit more skilled, but that's what you are looking for from your 12th forward, who plays on the 4th line and the least minutes of everyone. </p>
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I really don't think anyone on Boston is afraid of Brandon Bollig, if that's what you are getting at. Lol!</p>


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I liked what we had before the Finals... this whole enforcer thing is a myth. Let Boston parade Thornton out there for 5 minutes a game while we use someone who can skate in a long hard fought series like this. Just IMO.</p>


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Boys looked tired by the end of regulation... could use some fresh legs.</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

The fact of the matter is, the Hawks are paying Toews, Kane and Hossa BIG BUCKS to generate offense and unfortunately it's happening.  Despite the giant shot totals, the Hawks have been taking plenty of shots in "non-quality" area's.  Instead of driving to the net with the puck, we are seeing a ton of perimeter shots and hoping for a rebound, which Rask isn't giving up.  The Hawks aren't going to win this game from the outside and with such a brutal PP. </p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Ton DeFrancesco" data-cid="201146" data-time="1371409898">
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I really don't think anyone on Boston is afraid of Brandon Bollig, if that's what you are getting at. Lol!</p>


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I liked what we had before the Finals... this whole enforcer thing is a myth. Let Boston parade Thornton out there for 5 minutes a game while we use someone who can skate in a long hard fought series like this. Just IMO.</p>


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Boys looked tired by the end of regulation... could use some fresh legs.</p>
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No, but he's a our only legit heavy weight we can toss out there if things get messy. </p>


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In a series that is going to be going probably 6-7 games, physical play can be quite the advantage.  I don't think Stalberg is the answer, but Carcillo or Mayers might be a decent addition instead of Bollig. </p>