School Music concert last night

[Nail Polish]

I know exactly what he meant...

And my comparisons still stand regarding the Bears fan, and Americas fan

I dont doubt there are blind homers in either camp

Some Bears fans think the Bears are best at everything yet theyre not. Same with some Americans

 

[botfly10]

Are you fuckin serious?

And then you throw teachers under the bus in a country that refuses to properly fund the education of their own children? Guess where the usa ranks in spending per pupil? Guess where the usa ranks in average class size? Guess where the usa ranks in computers per student? But yeah, don't let me stop you from bitching about taxes.

Yeah, the problems in education are because teachers in unions feel like they deserve a living wage for performing the service most important to the future of this nation.

What a fucking joke.

The united states is not first in any metric except the number of people incarcerated per capita and defense spending.

 

[Nail Polish]

whoa...I throw teachers under the bus?...

I support em as I do firemen, cops nurses etc..I dont know where youre coming from my friend... My wife is a teacher...wtf

I think you need to take a chill pill

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Are you fuckin serious?

And then you throw teachers under the bus in a country that refuses to properly fund the education of their own children? Guess where the usa ranks in spending per pupil? Guess where the usa ranks in average class size? Guess where the usa ranks in computers per student? But yeah, don't let me stop you from bitching about taxes.

Yeah, the problems in education are because teachers in unions feel like they deserve a living wage for performing the service most important to the future of this nation.

What a fucking joke.

The united states is not first in any metric except the number of people incarcerated per capita and defense spending.

My Mom is a teacher. My brother is a teacher. My Aunt is a teacher. My Wife is a teacher. I have an ed degree and tought for a short time before I went into business for myself. Half my friends are teachers. My point is I know a shit load of teachers... And they all would say that teachers unions and shity parenting are fucking this country. I have no problem with supporting teachers.. And paying the good ones. What I do want is the bad teachers to be fired.

Oh, and there are numerous reports showing the USA spends as much or more than most other countries on education. Money is NOT the problem. Lack of standards is.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

whoa...I throw teachers under the bus?...

I support em as I do firemen, cops nurses etc..I dont know where youre coming from my friend... My wife is a teacher...wtf

I think you need to take a chill pill

He was speaking to me. And has no idea how I can be Pro Teacher but ANTI teacher's unions.

 

[Nail Polish]

He was speaking to me. And has no idea how I can be Pro Teacher but ANTI teacher's unions.

oooh OK..I was like WTF...lol

 

[KittiesKorner]

some of those stories about tenured/union teachers who get "disciplined" and sent to rooms where they just sit for 8 hours a day and still get paid are fuckin crazy

 

[botfly10]

Most of the problems with education in this country occur in the realm between school administrators and state legislators (which includes school boards). Teachers are on the very bottom rung of the education structure, yet they take all the blame for problems in the system. In the era of standardized testing, teachers don't even get to decide how or what they teack. They get shit on by the whole hierarchy above them and by society around them.

The unions are the only structure there is to protect teachers from this constant shit boulder thats always rolling downhill.

And of course there are bad teachers. But bad teachers are not the problem with education. A bad teacher can only do so much damage. Its the people above them there are causing the system issues in education.

 

[KittiesKorner]

I think teachers are underpaid but I also think teachers' unions aren't above blame.

Tenure is a problem for people who never deserved to get it, and plenty do.

Meanwhile, my wife has tenure and got "strongly encouraged" to take an academic administration job, which she did and she now wants to leave, because she wants to teach again. The problem (at her institution)? If you're tenured and take an admin position and step down later, if there's no faculty position for you to fill, you don't just not have tenure any more -- you don't have a job.

 

[botfly10]

My Mom is a teacher. My brother is a teacher. My Aunt is a teacher. My Wife is a teacher. I have an ed degree and tought for a short time before I went into business for myself. Half my friends are teachers. My point is I know a shit load of teachers... And they all would say that teachers unions and shity parenting are fucking this country. I have no problem with supporting teachers.. And paying the good ones. What I do want is the bad teachers to be fired.

Oh, and there are numerous reports showing the USA spends as much or more than most other countries on education. Money is NOT the problem. Lack of standards is.

If any of this is true, than you should know where the power is in a school. And your statement about standards makes me doubt this whole story. There isn't a teacher around that thinks standardized testing is the answer to a damn thing.

Either way, to blame teachers for the state of ed is insane. Nobody has more impact on a school than the principal and it goes up from there to school boards and state legislatures. The first thing they tell you when looking for a job as a teacher is to find a good principal and follow them to whatever school they go to.

 

[JLeigh34]

The educational system is a joke. We moved around several times when I was a kid and I had the opportunity to attend 3 different schools in different towns and see how things run. The ones closer to a city (near STL in Illinois) had high standards, lots of programs and extracurriculars, wonderful teachers, etc. they always pushed us to excel and recognized talents and strengths and helped the kids to hone in and perfect those things.

The one I attended that was in southern Illinois in what felt like the middle of nowhere was a fucking joke. No extracurriculars outside of a few basic sports, music program only had like 10 kids in it because the teacher was a pervert who liked to touch girls, lazy teachers who gave zero fucks until it came time for state testing, which they always got on the warning list for. Usually you'd spend about 10 minutes of each class finding out what the assignment was and then the other 40 playing cards or whatever while the teacher surfed the internet or took phone calls or chatted with a coworker. When state testing for the Juniors came around, they cancelled our PE classes for the months leading up to the test and made us take a special math class instead in an effort to boost scores, which never worked. Sky high teen pregnancy rate (50% of the girls were mommies by the time we graduated high school) and tons of dropouts and crap like that.


The main difference between these schools other than location was money. Eldorado is a somewhat poor town, chocked full of methheads. The only wealthy people are the ones that own a business, commute to Evansville Indiana or are working for the town's crooked government system. I'm not sure if it was the geographical location or the money issue but that school was a fucking nightmare and almost everyone I graduated with failed career-wise. Our valedictorian is in medical school to be a doctor but that's about it. Everyone else works in the coal mines or popped out several kids and waitresses or bar tends. Hardly anyone got out of that shitty town.


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[Jester]

If any of this is true, than you should know where the power is in a school. And your statement about standards makes me doubt this whole story. There isn't a teacher around that thinks standardized testing is the answer to a damn thing.

Either way, to blame teachers for the state of ed is insane. Nobody has more impact on a school than the principal and it goes up from there to school boards and state legislatures. The first thing they tell you when looking for a job as a teacher is to find a good principal and follow them to whatever school they go to.

My parents are both retired teachers, they don't like the union and tenure is more often a problem than not. Bad teachers should be fired, period. The job of the union shouldn't be stepping in to defend bad teachers, but to trying to make it better for the good teachers.

 

[bearmick]

I have an ed degree and tought for a short time before I went into business for myself.

Was it Inglish what you tought?

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Was it Inglish what you tought?

I love little cunts like you that make a big deal about spelling errors. It's a message board. Like I give a shit about spelling right now. For your info I have a music ed degree of all things and now own a real estate business.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

If any of this is true, than you should know where the power is in a school. And your statement about standards makes me doubt this whole story. There isn't a teacher around that thinks standardized testing is the answer to a damn thing.

Either way, to blame teachers for the state of ed is insane. Nobody has more impact on a school than the principal and it goes up from there to school boards and state legislatures. The first thing they tell you when looking for a job as a teacher is to find a good principal and follow them to whatever school they go to.

How could we not blame teachers for the shity state of our education? They're the ones who meet with the kids every day.

And I said lack of standards is the problem...NOT standardized testing. We need to start holding people (and our money) accountable. Thats how the real world works. Good teachers should get paid more. Bad teachers should get fired. Same thing with the admins. Kids need to be held to standards. Parents too. Whats so wrong with that?

 

[bearmick]

I love little cunts like you that make a big deal about spelling errors. It's a message board. Like I give a shit about spelling right now. For your info I have a music ed degree of all things and now own a real estate business.

I'm not really interested in your poor English; more how someone who is clearly as thick as pig shit was able to teach anything to anyone. But you've answered my question.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I'm not really interested in your poor English; more how someone who is clearly as thick as pig shit was able to teach anything to anyone. But you've answered my question.

LOL. This is why I love sports. You and I probably wouldn't agree on which coast the sun would set but at least we like the same team. Enjoy the game you little *****. Gota head to the bar. Bear Down.

 

[Iwritecode]

When I graduated HS, I was in what I thought was one of the better school districts in the area. My wife and I stayed in the area so we could keep our kids in the same schools that we went to.

We thought the fact that the high school kept expanding and the fact that they kept opening more schools in the district because so many people were coming in was a good thing. Somewhere along the line the district has just gone completely downhill.

We’ve gotten letters in the mail the past couple of years telling us that the schools have failed to meet standards and by law they are required to offer us an alternative but all the other schools are full so there really isn’t an alternative.

Our oldest graduates in May (as long as she passes the English class that she is failing this semester) so hopefully she’ll be done with it in a few months.

Our youngest is in 6th grade and I’m just hoping against hope that she gets through the next 6 years without too much struggle.

Our middle one we have been struggling with since grade school. She’s supposed to be a sophomore but only has enough credits to qualify as a freshman. She’s passing all of 2 classes this year and her teachers/counselors have no idea how to get through to her.

She doesn’t test out low enough to get into special ed classes but clearly she can’t keep up with regular classes. At this point instead of continuing to waste money I think we’d be better off just home-schooling her and letting her get her GED instead.