Seeds of doubt are planted

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Not ready to doubt Ben Johnson the coach but since he's also apparently the GM, I'll doubt Ben Johnson the GM. I hope Trapilo is ready to go to unseat Braxton (especially if his injury lingers). Hope none of the interior OL gets hurt or yikes, suddenly relying on a guy with a bad shoulder in Bates to step in. Was hoping they'd go heavy oline to build it up incase Thuney falls off a cliff due to age or Jackson doesn't return to form. Start building the depth on the oline and worry about addressing the other positions either later in the draft or sign a 1-year stopgap in free agency. Fix the oline and it makes everything easier.

I get this thinking but you cant draft OL with every pick. And even if you did, they won’t all pan out. Even as backups. People act like the Bears are the only team without OL depth.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

The scheme worked in Detroit so if the results are similar I will have no complaints.

In order to achieve that scheme he has too do things his way in Chicago. He can’t build it the same wait like how things were built in DET.

 

[SugarWalls]

I didn’t ignore it. You like the draft picks but having doubts about Ben Johnson already because he isn’t building the team like the Lions did. You are upset because Ben Johnson & Ryan Poles didn’t address positions that you wanted.

Sure I wanted more trenches but that’s not at all the premise of this thread. He said ‘this isn’t going to be the Detroit lions offense.’ Word for word.

Part of the reason I was so excited for Johnson was his ability to create an offense, not simply use the system he had in place. He said he developed the offense with Goff in a room over the course of days.

Part of being a GREAT offensive coach is innovation. Coming up with new stuff as NFL defenses catch on to what you are calling. Mike McDaniel is a great example of this where despite adequate QB play, good RB’s and WR’s, teams seem to catch on to his offense. The same things have been said of kingsbury.

Now he has acquired players mapping directly to those he had in Detroit which might or might not indicate he is building the same thing in Chicago. Makes me question if he will truly be developing off of his old system for Caleb Williams, or if he will be employing a lot / most of the same

 

[Doubledown]

Never go full on Special person

 

[cameronkrazie86]

I get this thinking but you cant draft OL with every pick. And even if you did, they won’t all pan out. Even as backups. People act like the Bears are the only team without OL depth.

I agree with that but with 3 picks in the first 41, I'd have hope they'd have used at least 1 on OL or DL instead of trading back and finally grabbing one nearly 1/2 of the round later. Between pick 41 and 56, 8 OL/DL were taken. Just doesn't appear to have been an area of emphasis until the end of rd 2. Obviously if they hit one of the picks at 56 or 62, it was the right move. Wait and see.

 

[playthrough2001]

Sure I wanted more trenches but that’s not at all the premise of this thread. He said ‘this isn’t going to be the Detroit lions offense.’ Word for word.

Part of the reason I was so excited for Johnson was his ability to create an offense, not simply use the system he had in place. He said he developed the offense with Goff in a room over the course of days.

Part of being a GREAT offensive coach is innovation. Coming up with new stuff as NFL defenses catch on to what you are calling. Mike McDaniel is a great example of this where despite adequate QB play, good RB’s and WR’s, teams seem to catch on to his offense. The same things have been said of kingsbury.

Now he has acquired players mapping directly to those he had in Detroit which might or might not indicate he is building the same thing in Chicago. Makes me question if he will truly be developing off of his old system for Caleb Williams, or if he will be employing a lot / most of the same

Ok, I have to bite. Who in Detroit maps to Rome? Who is DJ? I guess Burden is St. Brown but he’s a better athlete and more highly regarded coming out of college.

The Bears really don’t have a Jameson Williams unless they grab Bond if he goes undrafted. Tyler Scott is fast but still unproven.

Who matches up with Kmet over there?

LaPorta matches pretty well with Loveland.

It looks like to me he wants to be able to effectively use any professional personnel grouping and have quality options at every spot to avoid predictably and create mismatches.

Oz is now the backup slot. Does Detroit have a guy like him? Maybe Raymond…

It looks to me he wants the flexibility to attack and adjust as needed.

The Bears have a quick back and a couple of power guys without counting Wheeler or Homer.

Obviously, the Lions have superior RBs at this point.

That doesn’t mean the guys the Bears have can’t be effective.

 

[SugarWalls]

Ok, I have to bite. Who in Detroit maps to Rome? Who is DJ? I guess Burden is St. Brown but he’s a better athlete and more highly regarded coming out of college.

The Bears really don’t have a Jameson Williams unless they grab Bond if he goes undrafted. Tyler Scott is fast but still unproven.

Who matches up with Kmet over there?

LaPorta matches pretty well with Loveland.

It looks like to me he wants to be able to effectively use any professional personnel grouping and have quality options at every spot to avoid predictably and create mismatches.

Oz is now the backup slot. Does Detroit have a guy like him? Maybe Raymond…

It looks to me he wants the flexibility to attack and adjust as needed.

The Bears have a quick back and a couple of power guys without counting Wheeler or Homer.

Obviously, the Lions have superior RBs at this point.

That doesn’t mean the guys the Bears have can’t be effective.

I think the bears clearly have better receiving options now after the draft, definitely lacking the running options Detroit has.

I think DJ is the Amon ra, Rome stands out as a player the lions do not have.

Burden might be used as the jamison Williams. He’s very fast, not a great route runner. They will probably find ways to get him the ball to get several touches a game not as a typical receiver, but also as a slot receiver.

Loveland tracks as the laporta comp, and Idk how kmet fits.

I expect there to be a whole lot of similarities between Detroit and Chicago. I’m just hoping it is really tailored to Caleb Williams, as I don’t think Caleb can do everything that Goff does well at this point in his career.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Sure I wanted more trenches but that’s not at all the premise of this thread. He said ‘this isn’t going to be the Detroit lions offense.’ Word for word.

Part of the reason I was so excited for Johnson was his ability to create an offense, not simply use the system he had in place. He said he developed the offense with Goff in a room over the course of days.

Part of being a GREAT offensive coach is innovation. Coming up with new stuff as NFL defenses catch on to what you are calling. Mike McDaniel is a great example of this where despite adequate QB play, good RB’s and WR’s, teams seem to catch on to his offense. The same things have been said of kingsbury.

Now he has acquired players mapping directly to those he had in Detroit which might or might not indicate he is building the same thing in Chicago. Makes me question if he will truly be developing off of his old system for Caleb Williams, or if he will be employing a lot / most of the same

That doesn’t mean he can’t build an offense that fits Chicagos players. Did you expect him to crate an entire new system? No. There will be things he did in DET in which he can’t do in Chicago and vise versa. You still need the offensive personnel to create your base offense.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

I agree with that but with 3 picks in the first 41, I'd have hope they'd have used at least 1 on OL or DL instead of trading back and finally grabbing one nearly 1/2 of the round later. Between pick 41 and 56, 8 OL/DL were taken. Just doesn't appear to have been an area of emphasis until the end of rd 2. Obviously if they hit one of the picks at 56 or 62, it was the right move. Wait and see.

I’m not disagreeing won’t this at all. If this was Poles and Eberflus I’d be pissed as hell over this draft. But your last sentence sums it up. It’s a wait and see approach with Johnson who has one of the best offensives in football the last few seasons.

 

[playthrough2001]

I think the bears clearly have better receiving options now after the draft, definitely lacking the running options Detroit has.

I think DJ is the Amon ra, Rome stands out as a player the lions do not have.

Burden might be used as the jamison Williams. He’s very fast, not a great route runner. They will probably find ways to get him the ball to get several touches a game not as a typical receiver, but also as a slot receiver.

Loveland tracks as the laporta comp, and Idk how kmet fits.

I expect there to be a whole lot of similarities between Detroit and Chicago. I’m just hoping it is really tailored to Caleb Williams, as I don’t think Caleb can do everything that Goff does well at this point in his career.

I’m pretty sure a coach this smart and innovative will be able to emphasize the things that Caleb does best. Quite frankly, Goff being a statue limited what he could design.

I did buy the stumble bum fake because Goff is a clod. That was a great idea with Goff as his QB.

 

[1COBearsfan]

I wanted Ben Johnson without a question to be the bears HC. While he deserves a chance to fail I am already having doubts after this draft.

He described building the offense in Detroit from the ground up to help Goff. He said he would build this team around the players skill sets and that it would be different than in Detroit.

Then the bears went and drafted their Sam laporta at pick 10. They came back in the second round to take a speedy WR despite other glaring needs. Is burden going to be a gadget player or their Jamison Williams? Both picks seem like luxury picks to me.

They completely ignored safety despite it being an obvious issue.

I don’t hate the players they drafted, but I thought he was going to build something different in Chicago. Maybe he isn’t this genius I thought he was?

Do you want him to build a team that dominates the division or not?

 

[SugarWalls]

Do you want him to build a team that dominates the division or not?

actually didn't think of it that way

 

[Toast88]

Way too early to tell on Johnson. I wanted him more than anyone else and am willing to give him time to put it together. But in the meantime, it’s absolutely fair to grade individual decisions on their face.

 

[1COBearsfan]

Way too early to tell on Johnson. I wanted him more than anyone else and am willing to give him time to put it together. But in the meantime, it’s absolutely fair to grade individual decisions on their face.

Graded based on what? What some fucking stupid espn talking heads say? Or on what us even dumber fans think?

None of us know anything that is said in any of the coaching staff meetings. For all we know Johnson has said the OL moves this offseason are perfect and he just needs more playmakers & Allen has said the D roster is perfectly adequate but just add some talent to a few positions

This fucking overreaction(not just you, sorry aboot this. But the Special person overreacting that always happens 5 minutes after every draft) is maddening

 

[Toast88]

Graded based on what? What some fucking stupid espn talking heads say? Or on what us even dumber fans think?

None of us know anything that is said in any of the coaching staff meetings. For all we know Johnson has said the OL moves this offseason are perfect and he just needs more playmakers & Allen has said the D roster is perfectly adequate but just add some talent to a few positions

This fucking overreaction(not just you, sorry aboot this. But the Special person overreacting that always happens 5 minutes after every draft) is maddening

I hear you, but as a fan (especially one who has taken the time to create an online message board profile), surely you have thoughts on the draft. There’s nothing wrong with that, even if we don’t know how right or wrong we’ll ultimately be for a few years. That’s why we’re here.

 

[mecha]

Graded based on what? What some fucking stupid espn talking heads say? Or on what us even dumber fans think?

None of us know anything that is said in any of the coaching staff meetings. For all we know Johnson has said the OL moves this offseason are perfect and he just needs more playmakers & Allen has said the D roster is perfectly adequate but just add some talent to a few positions

This fucking overreaction(not just you, sorry aboot this. But the Special person overreacting that always happens 5 minutes after every draft) is maddening

all of this

also to @ZOMBIE@CTESPN yes, it's Poles' 4th year, 3 of those 4 years he was married to an Eberflus team that didn't really have a direction. and Eberflus definitely overstayed his welcome in 2024. I still can't believe the Bears chopped him mid season.

also the draft picks are a question mark until we see them play. no sense in getting mad about it months before training camp even starts. lol

 

[I Just Want To Read]

The OL gripes are confusing. We may have invested more into the OL than any other team this offseason? Three major veteran acquisitions and a 2nd rounder. Later round depth IOL to boot.

We had one of the worst offenses in the league and clearly that's what Johnson has responded to with his emphasis on OL and receiving threats.

 

[Toast88]

“We as fans don’t know anything, so why are we even analyzing anything?” is a strange position to have on a fan message board.

 

[Toast88]

The OL gripes are confusing. We may have invested more into the OL than any other team this offseason? Three major veteran acquisitions and a 2nd rounder. Later round depth IOL to boot.

We had one of the worst offenses in the league and clearly that's what Johnson has responded to with his emphasis on OL and receiving threats.

Sorry, man. You’re not allowed to have an opinion. Check back in 2-3 years. In the meantime, we’ll just sit around on our ass waiting to give our two cents.

 

[1COBearsfan]

I hear you, but as a fan (especially one who has taken the time to create an online message board profile), surely you have thoughts on the draft. There’s nothing wrong with that, even if we don’t know how right or wrong we’ll ultimately be for a few years. That’s why we’re here.

That’s not even remotely close to what happens every year and you know it. If it was only “thoughts on the draft” or “I think the team will do X but you think the team will do Y” I wouldn’t feel compelled to shit on every other response.

I’ll give you a perfect example: The Loveland pick at 10. People losing their shit over a “TE2” before a few more rational folks pointed out that his and Kmet’s skills are different but should perfectly(hopefully) complement each other. And that Johnson runs 12 personnel more than any other OC so of course this is his perfect scenario