SETI Investigating a possible extraterrestrial signal from deep space

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I get it, but my point stands.... hold off on spewing your theories about their technology or society until you can confirm an actual signal from an alien civilization.

Otherwise all you are doing is spewing guesses like an asshole.

OMG if this signal is real, and if it is omni-directional with this level of power, and if they are powering it by harnessing the power of their Sun, then they must have a technology of level X and a society with parameters A, B, and C.

That is a lot of IFs without you having confirmed shit.

I don't disagree with the theoretical exercise by any means, but applying it in practice when you have no basis to be applying it is misleading and stupid IMO.

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Jesus, you are getting super reductionist in here. Kind of surprised this is coming from you to be honest.

I am not trying to shut down the intellectual exercise.... I just think it is a bad idea to spew the theories forth as if we have found a confirmed alien civilization when we haven't yet.

If the article was just about theoretical alien civilizations and how we might go about estimating their technology levels and how we might estimate their society based on that information, fine.... no problem.... but when you have a possible signal with nothing confirmed and you throw out there theories about assumed alien civilizations and their technology level and then their society... I find it to be sensational and a bad tactic.

Sorry that is my opinion on it.... you guys are free to disagree with me, you know I won't begrudge you on it.
 

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I get it, but my point stands.... hold off on spewing your theories about their technology or society until you can confirm an actual signal from an alien civilization.

Otherwise all you are doing is spewing guesses like an asshole.

OMG if this signal is real, and if it is omni-directional with this level of power, and if they are powering it by harnessing the power of their Sun, then they must have a technology of level X and a society with parameters A, B, and C.

That is a lot of IFs without you having confirmed shit.

I don't disagree with the theoretical exercise by any means, but applying it in practice when you have no basis to be applying it is misleading and stupid IMO.

The theory exists irrespective of any individual signal. Again this would be like saying, hold off on theorizing the existence of a black hole until one is observed. That's just scientifically obtuse.

If there is ever a time in science to discuss a theory, and this may shock you apparently, it's usually when some observation is relevant to said theory. If there is an observation that suggests a black hole exists then guess what the theory on black holes will likely be discussed. If there is a signal observed that may be alien then guess what the theory regarding the type of alien civilizations will likely be discussed.

That's pretty much the most relevant time to discuss a theory.
 

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I am not trying to shut down the intellectual exercise.... I just think it is a bad idea to spew the theories forth as if we have found a confirmed alien civilization when we haven't yet.

If the article was just about theoretical alien civilizations and how we might go about estimating their technology levels and how we might estimate their society based on that information, fine.... no problem.... but when you have a possible signal with nothing confirmed and you throw out there theories about assumed alien civilizations and their technology level and then their society... I find it to be sensational and a bad tactic.

Sorry that is my opinion on it.... you guys are free to disagree with me, you know I won't begrudge you on it.

Science reporting is usually pretty bad, and it shouldn't have conflated the two things.
 

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And you guys seriously want me to trust science when they dream up the type of alien civilization they are listening to that turns out to be Russians? Nah, ima stick with Jesus.


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And you guys seriously want me to trust science when they dream up the type of alien civilization they are listening to that turns out to be Russians? Nah, ima stick with Jesus.


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Im curious as to what you gonna do if one day they confirm an actual alien civilization and we make contact....
 

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And you guys seriously want me to trust science when they dream up the type of alien civilization they are listening to that turns out to be Russians? Nah, ima stick with Jesus.


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Im curious as to what you gonna do if one day they confirm an actual alien civilization and we make contact....

Join Scientology....Duh!

Seriously though, I don't know. It will be a time of serious reflection and thought as to what I really believe.


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And you guys seriously want me to trust science when they dream up the type of alien civilization they are listening to that turns out to be Russians? Nah, ima stick with Jesus.


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Says the guy who believes in an all powerfull God who he has never seen.

This should be right up your alley. Just pretend this Alien civilization is called Heaven.
 

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Im curious as to what you gonna do if one day they confirm an actual alien civilization and we make contact....

Ask to see their Bible.
If it's Mike Ditkas playbook I will not be surprised.
 

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Says the guy who believes in an all powerfull God who he has never seen.

This should be right up your alley. Just pretend this Alien civilization is called Heaven.

I'm not the one publishing an article saying "I've discover proof of God, and he's a type B God due to the nature of my proof" just to come back and say "oops that was just a radio preacher"

I have no obligation to prove God. Only God can prove his own existence. And I believe he will some day for those that don't believe.


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I'm not the one publishing an article saying "I've discover proof of God, and he's a type B God due to the nature of my proof" just to come back and say "oops that was just a radio preacher"

I have no obligation to prove God. Only God can prove his own existence. And I believe he will some day for those that don't believe.


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The article never claimed to have proof. In fact the headline in the article in the OP says, "Not a Drill: SETI Is Investigating a Possible Extraterrestrial Signal From Deep Space"

How did you arrive at them having proof when it clearly says they are investigating a possible signal? Do we need to go over what it means when someone says they are investigating a possibility?
 

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