Shaq says All-Time Lakers team beats All-Time Bulls team by 50!!!

[Gustavus Adolphus]

 

[brett05]

The "what talent" I speak of = Pippen, Gilmore, Rose, Love, Grant, Rodman, Kukoc, Brand, Noah, Van Lier, Sloan, Deng, etc.

Imagine Jordan on the same team as ALL of those guys. Insert Kukoc at the 4 and the Lakers would be forced to play smaller anyway.

Kobe was a top 10 player of all-time but a distant second to Jordan in terms of SG's. Nowhere near as fundamentally-sound as Jordan. Big difference in physical tools and skill set.

Abdul-Jabbar was at his best in Milwaukee (Alcindor). Still an all-time great as a Laker by the mid-to-late 70's, but if we are doing this with each player in their prime, he's not quite as good as pre-Laker years.

And what about '15 Gasol and '15 Butler. Throw them on the all-time Bulls. Lakers have more HOFers. And I'm not saying they wouldn't end up beating the Bulls. But I don't bet against Michael Jordan.

If you start adding bench guys, now you are talking about 50 point wins for the Lakers. The Lakers bench would be HOFers too (Mikan, West, Chamberlain, Worthy)

 

[RC_Skinny22]

Nobody thinking that the Bulls would have a chance when they play fast?

Who stops Rose, MJ and Pippen when they run the fastbreak?

 

[Raskolnikov]

PG-Jordan SG-Butler SF-Pippen PF-Rodman C-Plattoon

Butlers defense makes him the ideal pairing in a team with offensive juggernauts Jordan/Pippen. This team would have 4 first team all NBA defenders and so if anybody has a chance to give the offensive superstarred Lakers trouble, it would be this scrappy bulls team. Kobe could be passed between 3 defenders, and our platoon of bigs would give the Lakers enough trouble to prevent 50 for sure. I actually couldn't pick this in a 7 game series, because I think defense wins championships and we have a career 50% shooter at PG that is going to give them trouble every time they miss.

Basketball comes down to offensive effeciency and how well your defense can disrupt it.

Who gets Phil? I think it matters, and we got 6 so we do.

Its offensive effeciency that trumps poor free throw shooters. Rose might not be the best PG for the team against that foe, and if he takes a single 3 point shot he is killing us. Because the lakers are so big, you probably go Jordan-Butler-Pippen-Rodman for 40 minutes and do what the Bulls always did....platoon Longley, Gilmore, Cartright, and Weddington. lol

Ok....but Weddington stretches the floor. He is like the original stretch big. Go stand and pop from 20 feet. Half kidding, but don't expect to get out of that game with less than 15 fouls from center.

Rose in this scenario is your 6th man scorer, a fantastic roll for him. He comes off the bench for a few minutes and provides an explosive offensive spark, this would happen in this scenario and it would be a plus factor. Of course the counter would be Jerry West or the Glove, but what the hell. They could pull Karl Malone off their bench if they want, though Laker Malone is a different animal than prime Malone. But if you count prime Kareem you have to count it, or prime Rodman for that matter.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Holy shit, there are some real homers in here. That Laker team would destroy. Kareem and Shaq would just destroy the paint. I mean destroy it. Kareem sky hook was not guard able by the best centers and Shaq was maybe the most dominant player for years. They would chew them alive and I didn't even get to Magic, Kobe, and the studs behind them.

I think most people here can see the Lakers winning. I think it's just a case of whether it'd be by 5o+ points. Given that Shaq gave us Horace as our starting center, perhaps we would lose by 50.

 

[Alpha Male]

So shaq is playing pf in his scenario?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I think most people here can see the Lakers winning. I think it's just a case of whether it'd be by 5o+ points. Given that Shaq gave us Horace as our starting center, perhaps we would lose by 50.

With Horace as the center, that is one thing. Artis Gilmore was the best Bulls' center though.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Holy shit, there are some real homers in here. That Laker team would destroy. Kareem and Shaq would just destroy the paint. I mean destroy it. Kareem sky hook was not guard able by the best centers and Shaq was maybe the most dominant player for years. They would chew them alive and I didn't even get to Magic, Kobe, and the studs behind them.

Even in that hypothetical scenario with Grant and Rodman, Shaq is being a fool for saying the Bulls would lose by 50. And any team with Jordan surrounded by all-stars and hall-of-famers stands a decent chance.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

If you start adding bench guys, now you are talking about 50 point wins for the Lakers. The Lakers bench would be HOFers too (Mikan, West, Chamberlain, Worthy)

Rose (MVP). Van Lier (all-star).
Jordan (HOFer/6-time MVP/DPOY). Butler (all-star). Sloan (all-star).
Pippen (HOFer). Love (all-star).
Rodman (HOFer). Grant (all-star). Kukoc.
Gilmore (HOFer). Noah (all-star/DPOY).

Nobody beats that team by 50. 4 of 5 starters are HOFers. The non-HOFer was MVP.

 

[clonetrooper264]

With Horace as the center, that is one thing. Artis Gilmore was the best Bulls' center though.

Yes, I mentioned that in an earlier post. Even with Gilmore though, that Lakers team is just ridiculously stacked.

 

[Crystallas]

Lakers win. Sorry.

The Bulls have the GOAT. But you're going up against a team compromised of cherry picked players within a franchise that has more finals appearances than any team in league history and the most championships in post-merger. Not slightly more than the Bulls, but significantly more. Hypothetical 12-man rosters are commonly excluding a league MVP for the Lakers. That's just crazysauce.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Nobody cares about Wilt or the others! That isn't the argument here. The 5 on 5 shown isn't that close at all. And yes, the Bulls would have a serious, serious problem against that Lakers team. And I would take the Lakers' greats over any team's great players in the NBA.

Your analysis of Kobe/Jordan is woefully inaccurate, with the exception of Jordan's physical strength (not "much" stronger though) and mentality.

Because Shaq is too ignorant to remember Artis Gilmore played some high level ball for the Bulls means it's OK to discredit and insult the Bulls by saying they would lose by 50 (which is just stupid Gilmore or not)? I call BS.

Jordan's defense was way better than Kobe Bryant's. Jordan was recognized as arguably the best perimeter defender of all-time. Kobe Bryant was well above average, but was overrated defensively. Jordan's rebounding, passing, and scoring were better. There is not one thing Kobe could do better than Jordan when it comes to basketball. Not one.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Lakers win. Sorry.

The Bulls have the GOAT. But you're going up against a team compromised of cherry picked players within a franchise that has more finals appearances than any team in league history and the most championships in post-merger. Not slightly more than the Bulls, but significantly more.

Lakers probably win. But they don't win by 50. And Jordan has this thing about him that when you bet against him, he makes you pay for it.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Yes, I mentioned that in an earlier post. Even with Gilmore though, that Lakers team is just ridiculously stacked.

Biggest names on paper alone doesn't necessarily equal to better team automatically.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Even in that hypothetical scenario with Grant and Rodman, Shaq is being a fool for saying the Bulls would lose by 50. And any team with Jordan surrounded by all-stars and hall-of-famers stands a decent chance.

The reason we have a chance is because its as much about the general effeciency of your best 2 or 3 scores, and what you see with 5 stars is too many shots to go around. The Bulls wouldn't have to feed Butler/Rodman though both find their ways to be effecient.

We can trade not taking shots with Rodman, for the Lakers having to switch attacks for their poor defending offensive superstars.

Shaq and Kareem on the same team might be too overwhelming for just about any non Wilt/Russell team, and truthfully they have a better chance of beating Wilt/Russell by 50 than that Bulls team that could hold them to 120 points. You can't tell me your gonna put more than 120 on 2 Defensive MVP's and two more defensive all-stars flanked by a platoon of 7 footers who have proven they can wrestle Shaq effectively.

We saw Magic, Worthy, Kareem and they were beatable. Its the Pippen/Jordan/Rodman Bulls that are the greatest team of all time, and now you are giving us Butler to defend in the Ron Harper roll, Kerr (the greatest 3 point shooter ever) and Rose coming off bench for scoring.

We would be a team that functions together, while they would be 5 playmakers. We have the greatest playmaker however, and thats where we can give them trouble.

For all the talk about the bigs, I really do think Jordan is the greatest of all time because all anybody would care about in that game is the Jordan/Kobe matchup.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Biggest names on paper alone doesn't necessarily equal to better team automatically.

Not to discredit Rodman's crazy post defense at 210lbs, but Kareem and Shaq is just insanity down low. Bulls don't have a frontcourt to match. The only team that may have a chance is maybe Houston (Hakeem and Moses).

 

[Crystallas]

Lakers probably win. But they don't win by 50. And Jordan has this thing about him that when you bet against him, he makes you pay for it.

Shaq''s overselling. Like PewDiePie saying every game is the best game ever.

 

[brett05]

Rose (MVP). Van Lier (all-star).
Jordan (HOFer/6-time MVP/DPOY). Butler (all-star). Sloan (all-star).
Pippen (HOFer). Love (all-star).
Rodman (HOFer). Grant (all-star). Kukoc.
Gilmore (HOFer). Noah (all-star/DPOY).

Nobody beats that team by 50. 4 of 5 starters are HOFers. The non-HOFer was MVP.

The all time Laker team has a good shot at it. You are putting up bench guys that are all-stars a time in their career versus HOF players that were AS multiple times.

 

[clonetrooper264]

The all time Laker team has a good shot at it. You are putting up bench guys that are all-stars a time in their career versus HOF players that were AS multiple times.

Honestly, there are very very very few franchises with the kinds of players the Lakers have had. Celtics are one. Imo I think a Philly starting 5 can somewhat match up to this Lakers starting 5 (still lose though). NY has some good players as does Houston, but with all time rosters, LA and Boston have everyone beat most likely.

 

[Raskolnikov]

We invented, and perfected Hack a Shaq. We contained that ***** with scrubs, wrestling, and offensive effeciency that defeated his free throw shooting.

Shaq couldn't breathe in that game wihtout picking up a foul becuase Rodman would fall over. I think he is allowed to flop because he was allowed to in his time. lol
I've seen Rodman defend Shaq for what its worth, and you are talking about the monster back down vs touch me and I'll fly into the first row. its a funny game.