Shaq says All-Time Lakers team beats All-Time Bulls team by 50!!!

[clonetrooper264]

Man, those Laker starters and bench is just sick... and that's not even including another HOFer, Jamaal Wilkes.

lol yeah he included Fisher over Wilkes (though he also didn't include Toni)

 

[Crystallas]

LOL Skip suggests the following:

Jordan
Pippen
Rodman
Tyson Chandler
Gilmore

....to beat Shaq's 5. Yes, this is a 5v5 argument.

Skip never amazed with the full Special person.

 

[Axl Rose]

No....my question is what do you want Rose to do next to Jordan. They aren't complimentary players. Butler and Rose are great compliments.

What role does Derrick Rose fill on a team with Jordan/Pippen? Do you want him to go to the corner and shoot shots? You want him for his defense? Maybe against certain players. I never had issue with Rose defense, but look at the team you are proposing we guard.

Obvioulsy I'm being a dick, we want him to penetrate? But thats what I am narrowing this down to. We want Rose to penetrate on a team with Michael Jordan? I don't think Rose does anything as effeciently as Mike including penetrate to the rim. You don't want to fire that shot. You holster that gun and shoot with your trusty. Its about effeciency numbers when you talk about determining ways for these juggarnaut teams to beat each other.

I'm a Rose supporter, but I want him in the Stackhouse role for my all Bulls all time team.

Jordan, Rodman, Gilmore, Chandler, Ben Wallace have all been defensive MVP's so you have your choice and lots of fouls. I hate talking about 5 on 5 in some fantasy world, because so much goes into basketball. 5 on 5 discounts foul factors, and the "team" aspect.

I stand by rather having Jimmy on the court to compliment Jordan against a Magic/Kobe backcourt. Thats who I want in the battle with me. I know Rose has speed and explosiveness that could help, but he has no business shooting any shots on a team with Jordan and he serves no purpose to me. Jimmy plays defense, wouldn't take bad shots on that team in that situation, runs the break, and creates his own offense with lobs and offensive boards, then plays great defense.

Rodman would split time with Gasol at the PF in actual best to ever play PF for the Bulls reality. Gasol is difficult to defend and would be an ideal player to wrestle with Kareem while also providing length and offense, spacing and good basketball. Jordan would use him very well. But how would Jordan use Rose? Or are you suggesting Rose would penetrate and kick to Jordan?

Why? I don't understand what function Rose has on a Jordan team.

no offense but i think you looked way to deep into this

its really a best talent vs best talent thing and lakers are more talented its that simple

truth is neither of the teams would work...its possible to have TOO MUCH talent...egos would destroy both teams

 

[cjswan232482]

No....my question is what do you want Rose to do next to Jordan. They aren't complimentary players. Butler and Rose are great compliments.

What role does Derrick Rose fill on a team with Jordan/Pippen? Do you want him to go to the corner and shoot shots? You want him for his defense? Maybe against certain players. I never had issue with Rose defense, but look at the team you are proposing we guard.

Obvioulsy I'm being a dick, we want him to penetrate? But thats what I am narrowing this down to. We want Rose to penetrate on a team with Michael Jordan? I don't think Rose does anything as effeciently as Mike including penetrate to the rim. You don't want to fire that shot. You holster that gun and shoot with your trusty. Its about effeciency numbers when you talk about determining ways for these juggarnaut teams to beat each other.

I'm a Rose supporter, but I want him in the Stackhouse role for my all Bulls all time team.

Jordan, Rodman, Gilmore, Chandler, Ben Wallace have all been defensive MVP's so you have your choice and lots of fouls. I hate talking about 5 on 5 in some fantasy world, because so much goes into basketball. 5 on 5 discounts foul factors, and the "team" aspect.

I stand by rather having Jimmy on the court to compliment Jordan against a Magic/Kobe backcourt. Thats who I want in the battle with me. I know Rose has speed and explosiveness that could help, but he has no business shooting any shots on a team with Jordan and he serves no purpose to me. Jimmy plays defense, wouldn't take bad shots on that team in that situation, runs the break, and creates his own offense with lobs and offensive boards, then plays great defense.

Rodman would split time with Gasol at the PF in actual best to ever play PF for the Bulls reality. Gasol is difficult to defend and would be an ideal player to wrestle with Kareem while also providing length and offense, spacing and good basketball. Jordan would use him very well. But how would Jordan use Rose? Or are you suggesting Rose would penetrate and kick to Jordan?

Why? I don't understand what function Rose has on a Jordan team.

You are thinking WAY too hard over this. As great as MJ is, I am not about to disrespect MVP Rose like that. And the triangle was BECAUSE we did not have a Rose. Great players figure it out just like the Dream Team. You don't want Rose to penetrate just because Jordan is on the floor? You think
Isiah or Iverson would put up with that? You are out of your fucking mind. Rose would make MJ even harder to guard. The only thing is Jordan would not HAVE to score 50 on that team. This is precisely why Scottie Pippen is so disrespected as a great player. Game recognizes game and MVP Rose doesn't have to take a backseat to no one. No even MJ.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

If the Lakers go super big with 2 of the 3 of Kareem-Wilt-Shaq, I'd attack by going somewhat small; play Kukoc at the 4 and force Kareem to defend him off the dribble and up to the three-point line.

Keep one true center on the floor (i.e. Gilmore or Noah) to be shot-blocker on the floor and defend the post against one of the Lakers' HOF centers.

If I am the Lakers, I'd put West and Magic on the floor. I'd barely give minutes to Worthy with how much I'd be starting Magic as my SF; Baylor would be my primary back-up SF off the bench. I'd probably end up giving more minutes to Wilt than I would Shaq. Wilt was a much more athletic defender than Shaq. Kareem will be in more of a PF role. That may seem ridiculous at his size, but he has decent range and very good passing ability.

My minute chart for each team:

LAL
5- Chamberlain (24), O'Neal (22), Abdul-Jabbar (2)
4- Abdul-Jabbar (26), Gasol (16), Johnson (6)
3- Johnson (6), Baylor (28), Worthy (14)
2- Bryant (32), Cooper (12), Johnson (4)
1- West (32), Johnson (16)

(10-man rotation)

CHI
5- Gilmore (26), Noah (12), Gasol (10)
4- Gasol (10), Rodman (20), Grant (10), Kukoc (8)
3- Pippen (26), Butler (12), Kukoc (10)
2- Jordan (22), Butler (16), Pippen (10)
1- Rose (22), Van Lier (8), Jordan (18)

 

[Unannounced Fart]

If the Lakers go super big with 2 of the 3 of Kareem-Wilt-Shaq, I'd attack by going somewhat small; play Kukoc at the 4 and force Kareem to defend him off the dribble and up to the three-point line.

Keep one true center on the floor (i.e. Gilmore or Noah) to be shot-blocker on the floor and defend the post against one of the Lakers' HOF centers.

If I am the Lakers, I'd put West and Magic on the floor. I'd barely give minutes to Worthy with how much I'd be starting Magic as my SF; Baylor would be my primary back-up SF off the bench. I'd probably end up giving more minutes to Wilt than I would Shaq. Wilt was a much more athletic defender than Shaq. Kareem will be in more of a PF role. That may seem ridiculous at his size, but he has decent range and very good passing ability.

My minute chart for each team:

LAL
5- Chamberlain (24), O'Neal (22), Abdul-Jabbar (2)
4- Abdul-Jabbar (26), Gasol (16), Johnson (6)
3- Johnson (6), Baylor (28), Worthy (14)
2- Bryant (32), Cooper (12), Johnson (4)
1- West (32), Johnson (16)

(10-man rotation)

CHI
5- Gimore (26), Noah (12), Gasol (10)
4- Gasol (10), Rodman (20), Grant (10), Kukoc (8)
3- Pippen (26), Butler (12), Kukoc (10)
2- Jordan (22), Butler (16), Pippen (10)
1- Rose (22), Van Lier (8), Jordan (18)

I like everything you said except for putting Magic at SF. Why would you want to play the best PG of all-time at SF? The thought of Magic with all those toys at his disposal is giving me a hard on. Also, James Worthy doesn't get enough love. He was the perfect complement to Magic and one of the best fast break finishers ever. The guy was clutch and played his best in crunch time. He was also underrated as a defender. Was he better than Baylor? No, but with Magic at the controls, you can't go wrong there.

 

[houheffna]

Because Shaq is too ignorant to remember Artis Gilmore played some high level ball for the Bulls means it's OK to discredit and insult the Bulls by saying they would lose by 50 (which is just stupid Gilmore or not)? I call BS.

Jordan's defense was way better than Kobe Bryant's. Jordan was recognized as arguably the best perimeter defender of all-time. Kobe Bryant was well above average, but was overrated defensively. Jordan's rebounding, passing, and scoring were better. There is not one thing Kobe could do better than Jordan when it comes to basketball. Not one.

You never answered my question...because you don't have an answer. Kobe wasn't overrated defensively...he is seriously underrated by you...to support your argument.

 

[houheffna]

You are thinking WAY too hard over this. As great as MJ is, I am not about to disrespect MVP Rose like that. And the triangle was BECAUSE we did not have a Rose. Great players figure it out just like the Dream Team. You don't want Rose to penetrate just because Jordan is on the floor? You think
Isiah or Iverson would put up with that? You are out of your fucking mind. Rose would make MJ even harder to guard. The only thing is Jordan would not HAVE to score 50 on that team. This is precisely why Scottie Pippen is so disrespected as a great player. Game recognizes game and MVP Rose doesn't have to take a backseat to no one. No even MJ.

Rose would take a back seat to MJ. I don't know why you would think otherwise.

 

[cjswan232482]

Does Russell Westbrook take a back seat to Kevin Durant? Rose is no role player. He is a point guard. Game recognizes game and even MJ would see Rose is no Steve Colter
And we would not be in the triangle either. If you have a guard like Rose or Isiah, the triangle is a waste.

 

[FirstTimer]

1. Shaq is an idiot.

2. Pippen is an idiot for responding.

3. LOL at Rami calling Pau Gasol a top 50ish player all time. WTF?!

4. LOL x 2 at someone calling Bill Wennington "Weddington".

5. I'm taking the All-Time Lakers pretty easily. When we are sitting here talking about bringing guys like Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, and James Worthy off the damn bench for the Lakers and trying to wedge Jimmy effing Butler onto the Bulls...we need to stop.

 

[Scoot26]

Bill Weddington is gonna win us some championships now.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

1. Shaq is an idiot.

2. Pippen is an idiot for responding.

3. LOL at Rami calling Pau Gasol a top 50ish player all time. WTF?!

4. LOL x 2 at someone calling Bill Wennington "Weddington".

5. I'm taking the All-Time Lakers pretty easily. When we are sitting here talking about bringing guys like Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, and James Worthy off the damn bench for the Lakers and trying to wedge Jimmy effing Butler onto the Bulls...we need to stop.

Plus don't forget: James Worthy finishes at the basket better than Lebron James.

 

[Crystallas]

Bill Weddington is gonna win us some championships now.

He's going to be the justice of the peace for all future ceremonies.

 

[FirstTimer]

Bill Weddington is gonna win us some championships now.

When I see "weddington" all I can think of is this guy(even though it's "paddington bear"):

 

[The Hawk]

As I recall, Gilmore handled Jabbar well. And Jabbar on defense was weak and not a great rebounder. Again, as I've stated before, defense is all in favor of the Bulls. In my world, Jordan takes Kobe. Pippin uses his athleticism on Magic and Magic couldn't guard shit. If the Lakers want to win, they do not start Shaq and Jabbar together. Rodman and Gilmore would dominate the boards and Shaq and Jabbar wouldn't make sense in an up tempo game. If I was the Laker coach , I'd think about starting Jerry West who in my book is a better player all-around than Kobe. IF they had the 3 point line in his day, he'd have posted incredible scoring numbers. He also was a very very good defender. His match-ups with Oscar were classic.

That brings us to Rodman. Who does he guard? I'd be switching him all of the time on whoever the Lakers play at center. He could get into Shaq's head and pretty much guard anyone the Lakers have. I might even bring Rose off of the bench along with Jerry Sloan. Sloan guarded West as well as anyone in the NBA. Rose could present significant match-up problems. Ron Harper would also come off of the bench as would Grant. Except for Rose, every freeking Bulls player could guard multiple positions. Jordan, Pippen, Grant, Rodman, Gilmore, Sloan, and Harper were all many time all-defense players. They would unleash the "junk yard dogs".

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

We're still trying to figure out this trolling by Shaq?

Jesus Christ people....

 

[houheffna]

Once Ron Harper is brought into the conversation concerning all time greats...that should end that conversation...

Also calling a 10x all league defender weak on defense...as if he is a liability in this scenario is also silly...being that he's won more MVPs than any other player in league history...

 

[clonetrooper264]

We're still trying to figure out this trolling by Shaq?

Jesus Christ people....

It seems Shaq is truly the greatest troll

 

[The Hawk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXCHDcSHBS4

This is worth watching in the Jabbar vs Gilmore discussion. One thing Artis could do is play defense.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

3/10 troll effort.