Silver Ramirez

[Jntg4]

Silva Slugga for Aramis

 

[nwfisch]

 

[Mr. Cub]

:yeah:

 

[Uman85]

I prefer gold.

 

[daddies3angels]

So Cubs going to lose the best 3B in NL but still compete? I understand teams need pitching but they have to score runs also. Look at both WS teams this year. STL number 1 in runs in NL, TEX number 1 in runs in AL

 

[Uman85]

Ramirez is NOT the best 3B in the NL.

 

[inactiveuser1]

Ramirez is NOT the best 3B in the NL.

:support:

 

[daddies3angels]

Ramirez is NOT the best 3B in the NL.

Who better?

A-ram had best year BY MILE!!! A-Ram has put up .288 AVG + 25 HR + 90 RBI + in 9 of last 11 years. People need to realize this guy is a TOP 3B IN BASEBALL for last 10 years.

 

[Uman85]

There's no point in arguing about Ramirez. He's not the best 3B even in the NL Central, let alone the entire league. If you can't see that, there's no point in even beginning to explain who's better and why.

 

[Lex L.]

Who better?

A-ram had best year BY MILE!!! A-Ram has put up .288 AVG + 25 HR + 90 RBI + in 9 of last 11 years. People need to realize this guy is a TOP 3B IN BASEBALL for last 10 years.

Is Aramis really a 3B or is he more a 4 hitter? You could argue that his value was that he batted cleanup, in which case, you could also argue that you could get that from another position.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

There's no point in arguing about Ramirez. He's not the best 3B even in the NL Central, let alone the entire league. If you can't see that, there's no point in even beginning to explain who's better and why.

who is?

it doesnt help your argument at all when you make blank statements like this and you say there's no point in bringing in evidence...

in this case, there is a point

i think there's a legitimate argument for ramirez being the best the NL central 3B...even with his horrid(maybe not necessarily horrid) and lazy D

 

[Lex L.]

who is?

it doesnt help your argument at all when you make blank statements like this and you say there's no point in bringing in evidence...

in this case, there is a point
i think there's a legitimate argument for ramirez being the best the NL central 3B...even with his horrid(maybe not necessarily horrid) and lazy D

Not really. Ramirez is a hitter who happens to play 3B. His defense isn't great. Since that's the case, people should really be comparing him with other cleanup hitters.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Not really. Ramirez is a hitter who happens to play 3B. His defense isn't great. Since that's the case, people should really be comparing him with other cleanup hitters.

except the main argument is the comparison between other 3rd basemen(considering the silver slugger is given according to 3rd basemen)

i understand that it may be better to compare aramis to those who hit for the same purpose(especially considering his D is meh)...but that doesnt mean there isnt some weight in the position played(for example many shortstops are base hitters)

 

[Capt. Serious]

Ramirez is NOT the best 3B in the NL.

A healthy David Wright is better than him both offensively & defensively.

 

[Lex L.]

except the main argument is the comparison between other 3rd basemen(considering the silver slugger is given according to 3rd basemen)

i understand that it may be better to compare aramis to those who hit for the same purpose(especially considering his D is meh)...but that doesnt mean there isnt some weight in the position played(for example many shortstops are base hitters)

I understood that's where you wanted to go the first time. Im not sure what you feel your accomplishing this.

Since you're not paying for defense, the question is whether he's worth the money as a hitter.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I understood that's where you wanted to go the first time. Im not sure what you feel your accomplishing this.

Since you're not paying for defense, the question is whether he's worth the money as a hitter.

its a response to the topic and uman who said that ramirez isnt even the best 3RD BASEMAN in the NL

i think you have to consider defense when judging a player, its dumb not to(unless he's a DH...but being a DH is also vindictive of the player's defensive prowess in many cases)..but on the flip side, what is most important for Ramirez is his offensive production and ability...and yes you can compare to players of similar purpose for offensive production(and it can be argued to be a better comparison)...but here we are comparing ramirez to other 3rd basemen because of the topic and uman's statement

one argument for the importance of position comparison has to do with expendability...in other words what happens if ramirez leaves or is lost for some reason? Do we replace him with someone who hits for relatively the same purpose? No...you replace him with another 3rd baseman. The question is, is it better for ramirez to be our 3rd basemen or his replacement? A team is based on having a player on each position, not necessarily where they hit. Yes, hitting order and purpose has a significant role, but again you are filling in positions. Of course, a player's position can vary depending on the player's versatility, but certainly there is a purpose in position not only defensively, but offensively as well.

 

[Uman85]

A healthy David Wright is better than him both offensively & defensively.

Yep. Wright is one of at least 3 or 4, possibly more who are better at third than Aramis. In order to be considered the best at your position, you have to be sound defensively and offensively.

 

[Uman85]

who is?

it doesnt help your argument at all when you make blank statements like this and you say there's no point in bringing in evidence...

in this case, there is a point

i think there's a legitimate argument for ramirez being the best the NL central 3B...even with his horrid(maybe not necessarily horrid) and lazy D

Ramirez has been brought up multiple times in the past month and every single time, people fail to see the whole argument. No use in bringing it up again. It's in the past. He's got a good bat and a horrible glove. You have to be an all-around 3B in order to be considered the best. He's not top 5 in the NL and not the best in the NL Central either.

End. Of. Story.

 

[daddies3angels]

There's no point in arguing about Ramirez. He's not the best 3B even in the NL Central, let alone the entire league. If you can't see that, there's no point in even beginning to explain who's better and why.

Great argument. THERE IS NO BETTER 3B IN THE NL!!!!

 

[Uman85]

Great argument. THERE IS NO BETTER 3B IN THE NL!!!!

Lol according to you.