Silver Ramirez

[nwfisch]

The part that you are not understanding is that the point is to better the team. In order to do so, we need Ramirez. Yes, he is replaceable. However, that's all you will be doing is replacing him. You will be unable to make the team much better.

And how much worse will the Cubs get if they let Ramirez go?

I fail to see how resigning a 33 year old 3B will help the Cubs going forward.

Granted, there is the anything can happen argument, but I don't plan on that happening, and neither should the Cubs.

The Cubs haven't been among the contenders since 09 before Ramirez was injured.

By the time the Cubs get around to seriously competing again, it's more than likely that Ramirez's only asset, his bat, will be on the decline.

 

[Jntg4]

And how much worse will the Cubs get if they let Ramirez go?

I fail to see how resigning a 33 year old 3B will help the Cubs going forward.

Granted, there is the anything can happen argument, but I don't plan on that happening, and neither should the Cubs.

The Cubs haven't been among the contenders since 09 before Ramirez was injured.

By the time the Cubs get around to seriously competing again, it's more than likely that Ramirez's only asset, his bat, will be on the decline.

Or retired, lol.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

The part that you are not understanding is that the point is to better the team. In order to do so, we need Ramirez. Yes, he is replaceable. However, that's all you will be doing is replacing him. You will be unable to make the team much better.

i feel you with the whole "keep ramirez" thing..certainly i think there's a legitimate argument for keeping him...atleast for a year or two more

but i think the angle here is letting him go now and making space for other guys to come and basically re-tooling for long term success

i guess in the general sense, ramirez's production is replacable, but certainly not expendable when you look at other 3Bs...and certainly the cubs will miss his production(unless they get a fielder or pujols)

but the argument here is that ramirez, although he isnt too old, probably will begin to regress and its a reasonable thought to say that this isnt his last stint with the cubs then it is probably coming soon..thus ramirez isnt a long term investment

 

[Captain Obvious]

And how much worse will the Cubs get if they let Ramirez go?

I fail to see how resigning a 33 year old 3B will help the Cubs going forward.

Granted, there is the anything can happen argument, but I don't plan on that happening, and neither should the Cubs.

The Cubs haven't been among the contenders since 09 before Ramirez was injured.

By the time the Cubs get around to seriously competing again, it's more than likely that Ramirez's only asset, his bat, will be on the decline.

They won't be much worse. However, that's not what I am saying. I am saying that if they want to improve and have a chance at contention, they need to sign Ramirez. They really aren't that far away from contention. Just a Fielder + 1 or 2. They are choosing not to go that route, so it appears, which is fine. But they shouldn't even try to replace him, if they aren't going to be competing

i feel you with the whole "keep ramirez" thing..certainly i think there's a legitimate argument for keeping him...atleast for a year or two more

but i think the angle here is letting him go now and making space for other guys to come and basically re-tooling for long term success

i guess in the general sense, ramirez's production is replacable, but certainly not expendable when you look at other 3Bs...and certainly the cubs will miss his production(unless they get a fielder or pujols)

but the argument here is that ramirez, although he isnt too old, probably will begin to regress and its a reasonable thought to say that this isnt his last stint with the cubs then it is probably coming soon..thus ramirez isnt a long term investment

I completely agree that Ramirez isn't the long-term option. I have said this before and I'll say it again, the direction the Cubs take is based on what they do with Ramirez. If he is back, we're going to try to win. If not, it's more of a rebuild.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I completely agree that Ramirez isn't the long-term option. I have said this before and I'll say it again, the direction the Cubs take is based on what they do with Ramirez. If he is back, we're going to try to win. If not, it's more of a rebuild.

try is definitely key here...and i think whether we succeed is more dependent on how the rest of the team unfolds than really ramirez frankly

because if we keep a relative team status quo, i am pretty skeptical on a winning season

 

[Captain Obvious]

try is definitely key here...and i think whether we succeed is more dependent on how the rest of the team unfolds than really ramirez frankly

because if we keep a relative team status quo, i am pretty skeptical on a winning season

exactly. but the cubs are smart enough to not make the ramirez move if that's the only move they are going to be making.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

exactly. but the cubs are smart enough to not make the ramirez move if that's the only move they are going to be making.

i know, the question is what do the cubs have in mind for the rest of the team?

 

[Jntg4]

Mets will listen to offers for Wright, per MLBTR.

 

[Uman85]

Mets will listen to offers for Wright, per MLBTR.

:yeah:

 

[dabynsky]

Do I really have to read this thread since I'm just checking it today or can I sum it up like this:
*nwfisch, uman will bring up arguments about Ramirez being bad defensively and not performing in the 07 and 08 playoffs
*D3A, Capt. Obvouis, and Rice Cube will make various points about how Ramirez was the best 3B becauuse his offensive numbers dwarf anyone in the league.
*Capt. Serious will say Ramirez sucks for various reasons, but really it is because he plays for the Cubs and therefore can't be good.

That about sum it up?

 

[daddies3angels]

Wright WOULD BE HORRIBLE MOVE FOR CUBS!!!! Your getting just 3 years younger, WORSE DEF!!! less offense for even more money then what A-Ram wants and giving up prospects. Wright makes NO SENSE for Cubs

 

[Jntg4]

Do I really have to read this thread since I'm just checking it today or can I sum it up like this:
*nwfisch, uman will bring up arguments about Ramirez being bad defensively and not performing in the 07 and 08 playoffs
*D3A, Capt. Obvouis, and Rice Cube will make various points about how Ramirez was the best 3B becauuse his offensive numbers dwarf anyone in the league.
*Capt. Serious will say Ramirez sucks for various reasons, but really it is because he plays for the Cubs and therefore can't be good.

That about sum it up?

Almost right. You called JoeCawks Capt. Serious by mistake.

 

[Jntg4]

MLBTR says Wright is unlikely to be traded in the off-season, more likely in the Summer.

 

[Lex L.]

Wright WOULD BE HORRIBLE MOVE FOR CUBS!!!! Your getting just 3 years younger, WORSE DEF!!! less offense for even more money then what A-Ram wants and giving up prospects. Wright makes NO SENSE for Cubs

Yes and no. Wright is better defensively than Ramirez. They're comparable offensively. One thing that's not seen in the stats with Ramirez though is that he has high impat hits. In other words, Ramirez may hit .280 and another guy may be hitting .310. In some/many instances Ramirez's .280 counts for more than another guy's .310.

Both are with flaws. Wright's struggles might be blamed on a new ballpark and playing on a bad team, while Ramirez's struggles might also be partly due to playing on non-competitive teams.

In the end, since they're comparable, is it really worth giving up prospects to not improve substantially? Probably not.

 

[Shawon_Dunston]

In the end, since they're comparable, is it really worth giving up prospects to not improve substantially? Probably not.

That's it.

 

[nickofypres]

Wright WOULD BE HORRIBLE MOVE FOR CUBS!!!! Your getting just 3 years younger, WORSE DEF!!! less offense for even more money then what A-Ram wants and giving up prospects. Wright makes NO SENSE for Cubs

Not sure if serious.

 

[Uman85]

Not sure if serious.

He's serious.

 

[nickofypres]

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