Skille & Hawks agree to 1-year deal

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[quote name="TJD"]



Everyone knew Howard was doing great in the AHL and was coming into his potential. Most reports from Rockford fans have said Skille hasn't shown much growth skill wise and isn't making a huge impact.[/quote]





Everyone knew Howard was "doing great" in the AHL - why did it take him 6yrs to get there? Skille scored 20goals a year there (in about 60gms) in all 3 yrs...if he can consistantly score 15g a year in the NHL....I'd be happy with that. They lost a 17goal a year guy in Byfuglien - and he was making 3mil
 

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[quote name="TJD"]



Correct, but when you throw comparisons to guys like Datsyuk and Zetterberg you're going to get the people who think you're mentioning Skille in the same potential bracket as them.[/quote]





The comparison was how long it took them to get to the league - 4 years...and people are crying "why is it taking Jack 5yrs to get here"
 

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Everyone knew Howard was "doing great" in the AHL - why did it take him 6yrs to get there? Skille scored 20goals a year there (in about 60gms) in all 3 yrs...if he can consistantly score 15g a year in the NHL....I'd be happy with that. They lost a 17goal a year guy in Byfuglien - and he was making 3mil[/quote]



Playing first or second line minutes.............you think he is getting that type of playing time here. Hardly.
 

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Playing first or second line minutes.............you think he is getting that type of playing time here. Hardly.[/quote]



Bickell-Dowell-Skille... Cheap and I think just as skilled as the last 4th line.
 

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Bickell-Dowell-Skille... Cheap and I think just as skilled as the last 4th line.[/quote]



I will agree with that.
 

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Bickell-Dowell-Skille... Cheap and I think just as skilled as the last 4th line.[/quote]



Where do you see Reasonor playing? Providing Sharp and Bolland are still here, It seems likely the Reasonor will be the 4th line center unless he is traded.



I like the idea of Skille on the 4th line though. I think he was always seen as a top-9 guy, but his situation fits well with starting him on the 4th line and making him earn his way to a bigger role and more playing time.
 

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If Skille puts up the same line as Fraser did last year, 7-12-19, I'll be thrilled. I think its a reach to expect anything more.
 

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Where do you see Reasonor playing? Providing Sharp and Bolland are still here, It seems likely the Reasonor will be the 4th line center unless he is traded.



I like the idea of Skille on the 4th line though. I think he was always seen as a top-9 guy, but his situation fits well with starting him on the 4th line and making him earn his way to a bigger role and more playing time.[/quote]





Depending on Neimi I see Reasoner and his over a Mil salary not being here directly due to Cap issues.
 

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[quote name="whalerhawk"]If Skille puts up the same line as Fraser did last year, 7-12-19, I'll be thrilled. I think its a reach to expect anything more.[/quote]





Honestly does anyone think he'll be on the top two lines? I for sure don't. Although if he were with any of the other FOUR forwards on those lines his numbers would be exagerated either way. Just due to the talent he's playing with.



______ - Toews - Hossa



______ - Sharp - Kane
 

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[quote name="Maiden"]



Playing first or second line minutes.............you think he is getting that type of playing time here. Hardly.[/quote]





No...but lets see, he's played 30gms in the NHL over the years - limited time - and has 5 goals....over 82 that translates to 14g...."hardly" realistic he can get 15 I guess, and the talent here has never been better.
 

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No...but lets see, he's played 30gms in the NHL over the years - limited time - and has 5 goals....over 82 that translates to 14g...."hardly" realistic he can get 15 I guess, and the talent here has never been better.[/quote]

I disagree. The talent on the 09-10 team is certainly better than what the 10-11 team will run out there.



Fraser played most of the year with Kopecky and Eager and posted 7 goals. Do you think Skille will double that playing with Reasoner and either Dowell or Bickell?
 

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I disagree. The talent on the 09-10 team is certainly better than what the 10-11 team will run out there.



Fraser played most of the year with Kopecky and Eager and posted 7 goals. Do you think Skille will double that playing with Reasoner and either Dowell or Bickell?[/quote]



How do you know that?



Makarov could certainly be better than Versteeg. Beach, Bickell, could certainly put up Buff numbers.



You are guessing. 10-11 could very well be more talented than 09-10, NONE of us know. I don't even know how you could make a statement like that without putting "I ASSUME" in there.



And as far as line up, assuming Niemi stays.



I am starting to believe this team can be just as talented as last years. Especially if our goalie signs and the fact our top four D are now returning.
 

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Well, I think both Toews and Kane will be better. A full year of Hossa and Bolland - should make the team better. Hjarlarsson should improve.



Makarov sounds pretty good and I think Stahlberg will be better than people think.



I think if the fourth line is Bickell - Dowell/Reasoner - Skille - it will be much more talented than last years 4th line and this team may be deeper.
 

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I agree. I think people are cutting short the talent that DID NOT LEAVE this team. Like you said a majority should improve.



This team could very well be better than last years team. They might not start off like that but as chemistry builds, from what ever additions they make, the SUPER STARS we do have, will enable the team to rise to the top.



The fact the CORE consists of guys like Toews, Kane, Hossa, Seabrook, Keith, Campbell, I'm not too worried. I hope every one cuts us short, then expectations are not as high as they probably really should be.



Someone sent me the IDIOT Wes Goldstiens article from CBS Sports Line the other day. Once a dumb fuck, always a dumb fuck. Blackhawk Down. Really? Down?



Name me four other teams in the NHL that have the quality players the Hawks do. Now all with their name on the Stanley Cup. Have fun trying. You build around the core. The players leaving played better because of the talent around them. I would NOT be surprised to see everyone of their numbers fall this year due to the talent on the teams ALL of them were shipped off too.
 

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I'm not arguing with you Ron, but that's a lot of assumptions.



Gone are:

A two time Stanley Cup Winner (Ladd)

A Conn Smythe candidate (Buff)

A former Selke winner and three time cup champion (Madden)

A penalty kill specialist (Sopel)

A solid fourth line center (Fraser)

And two, above average energy forwards (Eager and Burish)

and maybe both of our netminders (one for certain).



That's a fair amount of talent and guys who knew how to win. Replacing them in the lineup, most likely, will be...



Stalberg, Bickell, Reasoner, Skille, Visnievskiy, Lalonde, and Jake Dowell.



Could our "core" guys improve to the point where the drop off isn't noticeable? Certainly. It could happen. I just don't see nearly 50 goals and 11 Stanley Cup rings being fully replaced by the 7 guys that are coming in. I just don't. That's not being negative, that's being realistic.
 

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Hossa and Bolland will, barring any injuries, be having full seasons. That will offset a few of the lost goals. And it's realistic to see Kane and Toews further improve. I could see Toews especially improve, he just seems like the guy who would step up seeing how many guys have left and lead by example. Of the rookies being brought in I could see some of them really wanting to impress and contribute, especially those who followed the Hawks during their Cup run. And playing as the Cup championships will certainly amp up the competition level of the regular season games. Hopefully this will work to the Hawks advantage and players will push their own game up a notch. And it should also be clear who will cut it and who wont.

The only thing that's cause for concern is injuries. With the Hawks so close to the cap and possibly having to have a slightly smaller roster, any injury call-ups might be impossible.
 

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[quote name="whalerhawk"]I'm not arguing with you Ron, but that's a lot of assumptions.



Gone are:

A two time Stanley Cup Winner (Ladd)---Worst of the guys that left(meaning the most important to them). His two way game, primarily defensive is astonishing. I don't know the fact he's NOW a two time Cup winner has much to do with that though. His first was him as a rookie and last was a Stacked team. Hardest spot to replace IMO, but does Bickell, Brouwer step in that role? I'd take Brouwer over Ladd at this point.





A Conn Smythe candidate (Buff)---Played great in the playoffs for 2 1/2 series. Non factor against Nashville, part of the Sharks, and Part of the Flyers. Had fans screaming all year for him to be traded for his lack of consistency. Hands down right or wrong he was most definitely inconsistent all year AND in the playoffs. (was huge against the Canucks and last two games against Philly). Could be replaced by Beach, Bickell, but to short change them before the chance? Not happening by me





A former Selke winner and three time cup champion (Madden)---Was pretty much a non factor other than the experience he brings from the Limo incident on. Now that we have OTHER Cup winning experience and his age means Dowell/Reasoner will fill in nice.





A penalty kill specialist (Sopel)--As long as Cullimore only got PK he would be just as good as Sopel there. For PK only. PK and blocking shots were really the best things about Sopels game.



A solid fourth line center (Fraser)----Could be replaced by a number of guys. I'd say very close to Dowell and probably Reasoner. Sorry Fraser is NOT a make or Break Player.



And two, above average energy forwards (Eager and Burish) 4th line players. Period.



Bickell-Dowell-Skille would be a BETTER 4th line than last year IMO.




and maybe both of our netminders (one for certain).---Going to miss Huet? Really? Is that something to even laugh at now? Huets record was directly due to the team in front of him. His SV% sucked. One could almost say the same thing about Neimi in winning behind a great team, although technically I think Niemi is the better technical goalie.



That's a fair amount of talent and guys who knew how to win. Replacing them in the lineup, most likely, will be...



Stalberg, Bickell, Reasoner, Skille, Visnievskiy, Lalonde, and Jake Dowell.



Could our "core" guys improve to the point where the drop off isn't noticeable? Certainly. It could happen. I just don't see nearly 50 goals and 11 Stanley Cup rings being fully replaced by the 7 guys that are coming in. I just don't. That's not being negative, that's being realistic.[/quote]





I clearly don't agree with you. And again think the team coming could be just as talented as the team leaving. And if those three guys Toews, Hossa, and Kane get 30 goals more between JUST THEM, you've accounted for almost half of the 74 goals you've lost by ALL the players leaving combined.



Winning the Cup two years in a row is almost impossible. Keeping your core and building around it is what makes IT possible.
 

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Going into last season....what were all those guys?



Madden - came in for the 3rd line - ended on the 4th

Byfuglien - consistancy questions

Sopel - slow, old defenceman people would have given away for used pucks

Fraser - solid 4th line center coming in - that prob wouldnt have been on the roster if not for Burish/Bolland/Hossa being hurt



And Bolland only had 6 goals....safe to say he can account for some of the "lost goals" coming in as well. Ladd will be missed, but theres a chance Kopecky can play a bigger role this year - based with how he ended the season
 

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