Snell > Rose

[scottiepippen1994]

I never stated that Paxson was Red Auerbach....where the hell did you get that from? By the way. Red didn't acquire a lot of star players through FA either...he drafted them. Talking to you is like talking to a 5th grader. Paxson doesn't bring stars....so its his fault that Rose's knees are jacked up? What kind of dumb ass reasoning is that? So the only reason Jordan never got a torn ACL, was because he had Pippen? Dumb shit. But when has the Chicago Bulls EVER been any good at acquiring star players? Dennis Rodman? They got him via trade, but wasn't Rodman a team cancer? Locker room lawyer? Wasn't he high maintenance? He was also recruited. Michael Jordan was heavy into recruiting. Did things like take Jayson Williams out to dinner. Jordan can openly court Williams, guaranteeing him rings...but Rose can't call Lebron? His prerogative, but facts are facts.

Ben Wallace is probably the biggest free agent acquisition in team history, four straight all star games, all league NBA player, 4x DPOY (had just won another one the year before coming to Chicago), future hall of fame player. They did the same thing with Wallace that they did with Kobe, Lebron, Wade, and others.

And for someone who all of a sudden clamors for star players...what players do you talk about constantly??? I won't bring them up, but they ain't stars. When names like Lebron, Carmelo or Dwight Howard are brought up...people on this forum don't want them, they'd rather keep the players on the roster. Why did you exclude Ben Wallace? Because he was a bust? Detroit did to Chicago with Wallace what Chicago did to Detroit with another Ben a few years later...sit back and let them overpay for him. You are entitled to your own opinions, you are not entitled to your own facts. Paxson has been ineffective in garnering free agents...so have previous GMs before him, including possible future HOF GM Jerry Krause. It stated thats what it is.

I never stated that you "SAID" John Paxson was Red Aurbach..
I said you "ACT" like John Paxson is Red Aurbach...
So what do you do?
You reply to me with a half page rant basically comparing John Paxson to Red Aubach in the above quote.
:andruw:


JOHN PAXSON IS NO RED AURBACH.

 

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

Michael Jordan was heavy into recruiting. Did things like take Jayson Williams out to dinner. Jordan can openly court Williams, guaranteeing him rings...but Rose can't call Lebron? His prerogative, but facts are facts.

There is now way that you can compare recruitment from Jordan (at the time, he was the face of the NBA & most popular sports figure in the entire world) to Rose (at the time, he was coming off his 2nd year in the league & only his 1st all-star appearance). On top of that, Lebron had already made plans to play with D-Wade & Bosh years earlier. Their secret plan was well-documented.

We only had a chance to sign one of two stars that off-season....Boozer or Lee. Joe Johnson was offered & accepted the full max from Atlanta, while Amare was foolishly offered & accepted a $100 million deal from the Knicks. That left Carlos Boozer & David Lee with us choosing Boozer.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

I never stated that you "SAID" John Paxson was Red Aurbach..
I said you "ACT" like John Paxson is Red Aurbach...
So what do you do?
You reply to me with a half page rant basically comparing John Paxson to Red Aubach in the above quote.
:andruw:


JOHN PAXSON IS NO RED AURBACH.

I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT DERRICK COULD OF BEEN MORE ACTIVE OR AT LEAST TRIED TO DO A LITTLE RECRUITING THOUGH....But i kind of believe Derrick's pride wanted to be the 1 and only alpha dog on his team.....purhaps overcockyness or immaturity in the summer of Lebron....
IT IS WHAT IT IS.

All im saying is that its John Paxson and Gar Foremans job to recruit stars before its Rose's.........

And as far as the Bulls not recruiting more stars in the 1990's, they already had 2 of the biggest stars in the league in Pip and M.J, so recruitng other stars back then wans't the biggest priority for the Bulls other than keeping decent roll players around our 2 superstars.

ITS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SITUATION NOW, AS WE ONLY HAVE 1 STAR, THAT MAY NOT BE A STAR ANYMORE DEPENDING ON HOW HE RETURNS FROM HIS NEW INJURY.. I PERSONALLY DONT THINK HE WILL BE 100 PERCENT AGAIN....
WHETHER BRINGING IN A STAR THE LAST 4 YEARS COULD OF PREVENTED DERRICKS INJURY OR NOT IS UNKNOWN, BUT I BELIEVE IT POSSIBLY COULD OF AT LEAST TAKEN SOME OF THE PRESSURE OFF OF HIM.......BUT ALRIGHTY THEN, ITS TOO LATE TO BUILD A CONTENDER WITH OUR CURRENT CORE AND I DONT BELIEVE THE ROSTER SHOULD BE TOTALLY BUILT AROUND ROSE AS THE 1 AND ONLY SHOT CREATER.......WE NEED ANOTHER ALPHA DOG.....PERIOD

 

[Scoot26]

There is now way that you can compare recruitment from Jordan (at the time, he was the face of the NBA & most popular sports figure in the entire world) to Rose (at the time, he was coming off his 2nd year in the league & only his 1st all-star appearance). On top of that, Lebron had already made plans to play with D-Wade & Bosh years earlier. Their secret plan was well-documented.

We only had a chance to sign one of two stars that off-season....Boozer or Lee. Joe Johnson was offered & accepted the full max from Atlanta, while Amare was foolishly offered & accepted a $100 million deal from the Knicks. That left Carlos Boozer & David Lee with us choosing Boozer.

Based on what happened, I would say the Knicks offering him $100 million was pretty foolish.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

There is now way that you can compare recruitment from Jordan (at the time, he was the face of the NBA & most popular sports figure in the entire world) to Rose (at the time, he was coming off his 2nd year in the league & only his 1st all-star appearance). On top of that, Lebron had already made plans to play with D-Wade & Bosh years earlier. Their secret plan was well-documented.

We only had a chance to sign one of two stars that off-season....Boozer or Lee. Joe Johnson was offered & accepted the full max from Atlanta, while Amare was foolishly offered & accepted a $100 million deal from the Knicks. That left Carlos Boozer & David Lee with us choosing Boozer.

I know that Lebron and Wade humored the thought of being teammates before Lebron signed with the Heat, but i dont believe for a second that Lebron knew for a fact that he was 100% certain he was joining the Heat before that summer....Im sure it was one of his first choices, but i dont believe Lebron joining the Heat was written in stone like people like to claim here,LoL.....
Lebron weighed his options im sure before he made his final decision..........LEBRON AND WADE COULD OF BECAME BULLS THAT SUMMER IF THE FRONT OFFICE MIGHT HAVE BEEN MORE CONVINCING IN THERE PRESENTATION AND INTERVIEW......I REALLY BELIEVE THAT........IT IS WHAT IT IS......I WOUD HOPE PAXGAR AT LEAST TRY TO SIGN LEBRON AGAIN, BUT WILL BE MORE DIFFICULT THIS TIME, CONSIDERING THE BULLS ARE IN TURMOIL RIGHT NOW......IM SURE THE BULLS LACK OF ACTION THE LAST 4 YEARS AND DERRICKS INJURY SITUATION ISNT THE MOST APPEALING TO FREE AGENTS RIGHT NOW....

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Based on what happened, I would say the Knicks offering him $100 million was pretty foolish.

AT LEAST BOOZER HAS PANNED OUT A HELL OF ALOT BETTER THAN AMARE HAS THE LAST FEW YEARS...AT LEAST BOOZ HAS BEEN ABLE TO SUIT UP FOR GAMES..LOL

 

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

I know that Lebron and Wade humored the thought of being teammates before Lebron signed with the Heat, but i dont believe for a second that Lebron knew for a fact that he was 100% certain he was joining the Heat before that summer....Im sure it was one of his first choices, but i dont believe Lebron joining the Heat was written in stone like people like to claim here,LoL.....
Lebron weighed his options im sure before he made his final decision..........LEBRON AND WADE COULD OF BECAME BULLS THAT SUMMER IF THE FRONT OFFICE MIGHT HAVE BEEN MORE CONVINCING IN THERE PRESENTATION AND INTERVIEW......I REALLY BELIEVE THAT........IT IS WHAT IT IS......I WOUD HOPE PAXGAR AT LEAST TRY TO SIGN LEBRON AGAIN, BUT WILL BE MORE DIFFICULT THIS TIME, CONSIDERING THE BULLS ARE IN TURMOIL RIGHT NOW......IM SURE THE BULLS LACK OF ACTION THE LAST 4 YEARS AND DERRICKS INJURY SITUATION ISNT THE MOST APPEALING TO FREE AGENTS RIGHT NOW....

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/07/inside_the_decision_miamis_cou.html

The article above is a lengthy explanation of when the plan began & how it played out. It was written in 2010 by Brian Windhorst, who is now the go-to guy at ESPN for any Heat-related news. Before that, he was one of the most respected sports guys in Cleveland while Lebron was there.

 

[Scoot26]

AT LEAST BOOZER HAS PANNED OUT A HELL OF ALOT BETTER THAN AMARE HAS THE LAST FEW YEARS...AT LEAST BOOZ HAS BEEN ABLE TO SUIT UP FOR GAMES..LOL

 

[sicko]

Snell is one of the players I wanted in the draft and I was extremely happy he fell to us and I think he is going to be a damn good player but lets not get crazy

I love the kid game though, so POLISHED and SMOOTH and calm and always plays under control and take smart shots, doesn't FORCE anything, very high IQ players, his game is extremely similar to his former high school teammate Kawhi Leonard. Who ever coached them in high school did a phenomenal job grooming them into good ALL AROUND basketball players.

I really would consider him at PG when Butler gets back! Hinrich can dribble and Teague just looks lost in this Offense or what ever that is we try to do offensively.

 

[Jerry Cortez211]

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/07/inside_the_decision_miamis_cou.html

The article above is a lengthy explanation of when the plan began & how it played out. It was written in 2010 by Brian Windhorst, who is now the go-to guy at ESPN for any Heat-related news. Before that, he was one of the most respected sports guys in Cleveland while Lebron was there.

That was a good read...so basically wade was too scared to be back in the city, (maybe he was intimidated by that one guy's brother????) and the Bulls for some reason didn't want to cater to James....looks like a future of mediocre glory boys and the occasional BG/Nate type of guy on our squad until jerry/paxgar step down

 

[scottiepippen1994]

That was a good read...so basically wade was too scared to be back in the city, (maybe he was intimidated by that one guy's brother????) and the Bulls for some reason didn't want to cater to James....looks like a future of mediocre glory boys and the occasional BG/Nate type of guy on our squad until jerry/paxgar step down

Jerry already did step down.
His sons are now in charge.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/07/inside_the_decision_miamis_cou.html

The article above is a lengthy explanation of when the plan began & how it played out. It was written in 2010 by Brian Windhorst, who is now the go-to guy at ESPN for any Heat-related news. Before that, he was one of the most respected sports guys in Cleveland while Lebron was there.

Still not proof.......mostly speculation......
And even if its all true, so what....
People change there mind all the time.
Had another teal made better offers or been more convincing, it could of went very differently.....
Pat Riley just happened to be the most clever out of all the GM's catering to Lebron, Wade and Bosh.....
Even if Wade and Lebron Wanted and planned to play together on a team, it didnt have to he Miami.......

:thinking:
I wonder if Bosh, Wade and Lebron or there agents made a demand to Paxson and Gar that they had to both be signed or else no deal.....Pax Gar probably got scared and was like, "impossible, it cant be done, forget it" in there minds when the demands came up..
I would love to see video footage of the PaxGar-Lebron interiew....LoL, would be very interesting.

I guess no other GM's around the league were bold, willing or clever enough to get it done or accept a demand of blowing there team up so they could sign both Wade and Lebron or Bosh or even all 3 like Slick Riley............

 

[Jerry Cortez211]

Veering into the 'what-if' category, how different do you all think the "decision" would be had bron/bosh/wade been free agents in 2011 instead of 2010 considering the Bulls were a much different team and Rose was better

 

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

Still not proof.......mostly speculation......
And even if its all true, so what....
People change there mind all the time.
Had another teal made better offers or been more convincing, it could of went very differently.....
Pat Riley just happened to be the most clever out of all the GM's catering to Lebron, Wade and Bosh.....
Even if Wade and Lebron Wanted and planned to play together on a team, it didnt have to he Miami.......


I wonder if Bosh, Wade and Lebron or there agents made a demad to Paxson and Gar that ghey had to both be signed or else no deal.....:thinking:

I guess no other GM's around the league were bold, willing or clever enough to get it done or accept a demand of blowing there team up so they could sign both Wade and Lebron or Bosh or even all 3 like Slick Riley............

Pip, I'm not gun-shy when it comes to being critical of GarPax, but in this instance I can't put the blame on them nor Rose.

GarPax did all that they could do to create cap room for 2 star players that Summer. Hell, they even gave away Pax's golden boy Hinrich. It came down to the three amigos planning to form their own Superteam years in advance.

As far as Rose, he was simply not part of their clique in 2010. Lebron, Wade, & Bosh all came into the league together. At the time of their free-agency, they viewed Rose as a little brother-type. He wasn't on their level. Rose's clique consists of the players that came into the league with him.....Love, Westbrook, Eric Gordon, Mayo, etc. These are the players that he's capable of making a phone call to for recruitment purposes. It is why we have an inside track to get Kevin Love in a Bulls uniform....if GarPax play their cards right.

 

[Bear Pride]

WTF? What does Red Auerbach have to do with any of this. Just... wow.

You might wanna get a CAT Scan done on that noggin of yours, you might have a wee touch of brain damage.

To quote yourself ...... do you even read the posts?

 

[Bear Pride]

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/07/inside_the_decision_miamis_cou.html

The article above is a lengthy explanation of when the plan began & how it played out. It was written in 2010 by Brian Windhorst, who is now the go-to guy at ESPN for any Heat-related news. Before that, he was one of the most respected sports guys in Cleveland while Lebron was there.

Which is a big reason I can't stand the Heat! They were wasting our time in FA'cy. I never believed that they were actually considering coming to the Bulls.

 

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

Which is a big reason I can't stand the Heat! They were wasting our time in FA'cy. I never believed that they were actually considering coming to the Bulls.

I hear you man. Especially D-Wade. IIRC, he didn't have custody of his kids at the time & he told the media that signing with us was very tempting because he wanted to be here for his family.

He strung us along while Pat Riley was behind the scenes negotiating with Mike Miller & others. I will never forget how all of their signings "conveniently" fell into place the moment D-Wade kicked us to the curb & formally re-signed with Miami. It was all part of the plan.

 

[houheffna]

There is now way that you can compare recruitment from Jordan (at the time, he was the face of the NBA & most popular sports figure in the entire world) to Rose (at the time, he was coming off his 2nd year in the league & only his 1st all-star appearance). On top of that, Lebron had already made plans to play with D-Wade & Bosh years earlier. Their secret plan was well-documented.

We only had a chance to sign one of two stars that off-season....Boozer or Lee. Joe Johnson was offered & accepted the full max from Atlanta, while Amare was foolishly offered & accepted a $100 million deal from the Knicks. That left Carlos Boozer & David Lee with us choosing Boozer.

So because they don't compare in stature...you don't recruit? If that was the case, why would Reinsdorf and Paxson ask Rose to do so? I don't think it was Rose's fault at all by the way...I do believe it was all planned out. I believe Lebron was a bit squeamish about it at first but he eventually relented.

 

[houheffna]

WTF? What does Red Auerbach have to do with any of this. Just... wow.

You might wanna get a CAT Scan done on that noggin of yours, you might have a wee touch of brain damage.

If you are not going to read the posts....then stick your head back up your ass and STFU.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

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