Soldier Awarded Medal Of Honor, And You Can Now See What He Did

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Awesome video.</p>


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I am usually anti-war and anti-military due to a lot of douches that think they are too hot to trot just because they pushed papers in Germany for a few years.</p>


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It's guys like this that are true heroes.  To all that have served on the battlefield, I give my utmost respect.</p>


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I bet if you asked this guy he wouldn't even care about the award... just doing his duty.</p>
 

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Awesome video.</p>


 </p>


I am usually anti-war and anti-military due to a lot of douches that think they are too hot to trot just because they pushed papers in Germany for a few years.</p>


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It's guys like this that are true heroes.  To all that have served on the battlefield, I give my utmost respect.</p>


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I bet if you asked this guy he wouldn't even care about the award... just doing his duty.</p>
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Bold 1:</p>


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When it comes to wannabe Alpha males bragging about their service, I find the Lao Tzu quote for the Tao de Ching to be very accurate...</p>


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Those who speak, do not know.</p>


Those who know, do not speak. </p>


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I share here, really because while I have met some posters, it is mostly anonymous. </p>


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Bold 2: I cant speak from experience, but I can say from situations that you dont think about it at all really. It is a weird type of focus for lack of a better term. </p>
 

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Bold 1:</p>


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When it comes to wannabe Alpha males bragging about their service, I find the Lao Tzu quote for the Tao de Ching to be very accurate...</p>


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Those who speak, do not know.</p>


Those who know, do not speak. </p>


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I share here, really because while I have met some posters, it is mostly anonymous. </p>


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Bold 2: I cant speak from experience, but I can say from situations that you dont think about it at all really. It is a weird type of focus for lack of a better term. </p>
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My question for you and the others here then about your bolded end statement is, Is it nature or nurture. Meaning is it the person or the training. I assume like life it's a little of both. But what I am asking is, does the Army's training make it so that any one of their top soldiers would have done the same in this position, or did it take a special guy to use the training he was given to react this way. I'm just curious I have no real opinion. We here about how much training all these guys get and do, but Is this type of situation something you can really train for? While you're familiar with the situations, the procedures he took probably weren't really in a rule book?</p>
 

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My question for you and the others here then about your bolded end statement is, Is it nature or nurture. Meaning is it the person or the training. I assume like life it's a little of both. But what I am asking is, does the Army's training make it so that any one of their top soldiers would have done the same in this position, or did it take a special guy to use the training he was given to react this way. I'm just curious I have no real opinion. We here about how much training all these guys get and do, but Is this type of situation something you can really train for? While you're familiar with the situations, the procedures he took probably weren't really in a rule book?</p>
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I think it is a bit of both. No one knows how you will react when this occurs, even yourself (while most people like to speculate). I thought I would feel and act one way, I was sort of close. Although discussing the details tend to be...quite personal. The first time is the scariest. For me, I did a lot of parroting. When you hear stories of the "1000 yard stare", this is accurate and actually develops. Some never get it, some cant lose it, I am lucky enough to be able to turn it on and off as I wish. </p>


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Did boot camp help? Helped me. You throw away your inhibitions and petty hangups. They build that in. They also help build your confidence as you finish boot camp doing things you may have never thought possible for yourself. Boot camp also helps with the "will to act", which is really the hardest part. Once you do? It is easier and easier. </p>


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Can you really train for it? The...mechanics and muscle memory, yes. And that helps both directly and indirectly. Being able to field strip and assemble your rifle blindfolded, the way you are taught to handle grenades, ammo, weapons. Never once in in the field did I not have my rifle with me, even when showering you always know where it is. </p>


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There is also something funny that happens... I did not like being in the USMC for the most part. I wouldnt trade it for the world and I wouldnt do it differently, but I wasnt a gung ho Marine. But after being in a forward unit, I missed it. When I got out, I missed it. Even to this day, albiet rare, I miss it. It is that... rush. For example, one of my buddies who played in the desert (I was EAS'd before him), called me up one night after he was out and said "Pete (nickname), Its weird... I want to kill someone". That is a terrifying thought for most people. But those that have had to play, get it. Like, I dont play the Battlefields and the CoD games and such. They are WAY to accurate in a lot of ways. The one CoD I played straight freaked me out when the m-16 (may have been ar-15 or something in the game) fired EXACTLY like it did in real life. The "incoming" and such messed with me and put me into that heightened state (aka 1000 yard stare). Playing those games literally changes the way my brain is working. </p>


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(Excuse any arrogant connotations) but I find myself luck in that I have always been a pretty introspective person, so I understood the way I was thinking, why I did, and able to adjust accordingly. For example, I NEVER walk with anything in my hands, I hate riding buses of any kind, and still wear combat boots everyday. Also, my collecting of Hawaiian shirts (I have 121 Tommy Bahama Shirts), started as a result of forward unit action. Facets of OCD are quite common. A lady-friend of mine is obsessed with books. I buy Hawaiian shirts. Another buddy I had collected dirt and sand, like a picture. Other guys, drink/drug it away.</p>


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Ok, getting to tl:dr. But hope it might help answer you questions. While each person's (not just military) post stress behavior may manifest itself in many different ways, there are great similarities. It also is personal info shared, but I dont think I could answer without being personal. </p>
 

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Thanks for the answer. Much appreciated. I was just curious because you hear so much the responses after situations like this that they say 2 things "I just did what any man would do in my situation" or "I just did what I was trained to do" and I was curious as to what others thought about those responses.</p>


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OT: Have you been to the Hawiian shirt museum in Maui? They have a framed Elvis shirt and such, I thought it was a Hawaiian shirt store till they told me, haha wish I could show you pictures.</p>
 

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Good post there Dante.</p>
 

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Thanks for the answer. Much appreciated. I was just curious because you hear so much the responses after situations like this that they say 2 things "I just did what any man would do in my situation" or "I just did what I was trained to do" and I was curious as to what others thought about those responses.</p>


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OT: Have you been to the Hawiian shirt museum in Maui? They have a framed Elvis shirt and such, I thought it was a Hawaiian shirt store till they told me, haha wish I could show you pictures.</p>
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Yeah, I can get that. I think you hear those kind of comments for a couple reasons:</p>


1. I dont want to/cant explain the internalization of the processes.</p>


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2. I always felt that anyone around me would have done the same and I had faith in it. You are putting your life into someone else's hands and asking him to do the same. That is an intimacy that is rarely seen elsewhere. </p>


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3. When you get "salty", it IS what anyone else would do. You dont think anything of it anymore, so it becomes non-chalant.</p>


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4. There are...many private feelings that occur as a result of this type of stuff. Most I know hated any accolades in relation to this. 6 bucks and my right nut, when he was getting his award, he was thinking "I dont deserve this, my squad does. The guys I helped deserve it. Not me." </p>


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OT: I HAVE NOT! That would be awesome! I think I will plan a trip there!</p>


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I kinda lied with the 121 Tommys because there are some other designers in there, a couple Tori Richards for example. But to me, there is nothing better than Tommy Bahama. Hand-made silk (although I have 27 that arent silk), the pattern is unbroken across pocket and buttons (how you can tell a quality hawaiian shirt), polished coconut buttons, and some of the most intricate fabric patterns I have seen. </p>


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But a whole museum?! I might just lose my mind...</p>
 

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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="The Deadliest Man Alive" data-cid="213262" data-time="1383767699">
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I think it is a bit of both. No one knows how you will react when this occurs, even yourself (while most people like to speculate). I thought I would feel and act one way, I was sort of close. Although discussing the details tend to be...quite personal. The first time is the scariest. For me, I did a lot of parroting. When you hear stories of the "1000 yard stare", this is accurate and actually develops. Some never get it, some cant lose it, I am lucky enough to be able to turn it on and off as I wish. </p>


 </p>


Did boot camp help? Helped me. You throw away your inhibitions and petty hangups. They build that in. They also help build your confidence as you finish boot camp doing things you may have never thought possible for yourself. Boot camp also helps with the "will to act", which is really the hardest part. Once you do? It is easier and easier. </p>


 </p>


Can you really train for it? The...mechanics and muscle memory, yes. And that helps both directly and indirectly. Being able to field strip and assemble your rifle blindfolded, the way you are taught to handle grenades, ammo, weapons. Never once in in the field did I not have my rifle with me, even when showering you always know where it is. </p>


 </p>


There is also something funny that happens... I did not like being in the USMC for the most part. I wouldnt trade it for the world and I wouldnt do it differently, but I wasnt a gung ho Marine. But after being in a forward unit, I missed it. When I got out, I missed it. Even to this day, albiet rare, I miss it. It is that... rush. For example, one of my buddies who played in the desert (I was EAS'd before him), called me up one night after he was out and said "Pete (nickname), Its weird... I want to kill someone". That is a terrifying thought for most people. But those that have had to play, get it. Like, I dont play the Battlefields and the CoD games and such. They are WAY to accurate in a lot of ways. The one CoD I played straight freaked me out when the m-16 (may have been ar-15 or something in the game) fired EXACTLY like it did in real life. The "incoming" and such messed with me and put me into that heightened state (aka 1000 yard stare). Playing those games literally changes the way my brain is working. </p>


 </p>


(Excuse any arrogant connotations) but I find myself luck in that I have always been a pretty introspective person, so I understood the way I was thinking, why I did, and able to adjust accordingly. For example, I NEVER walk with anything in my hands, I hate riding buses of any kind, and still wear combat boots everyday. Also, my collecting of Hawaiian shirts (I have 121 Tommy Bahama Shirts), started as a result of forward unit action. Facets of OCD are quite common. A lady-friend of mine is obsessed with books. I buy Hawaiian shirts. Another buddy I had collected dirt and sand, like a picture. Other guys, drink/drug it away.</p>


 </p>


Ok, getting to tl:dr. But hope it might help answer you questions. While each person's (not just military) post stress behavior may manifest itself in many different ways, there are great similarities. It also is personal info shared, but I dont think I could answer without being personal. </p>
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Sums it up pretty well.  The tug and pull of what you are doing and how much you hate it, yet love it when it is not there.   The high "unknowningness" of reactions, yet the reactions are close to how you are trained....and the training is amazing effective at getting you to react the way that is generally expected under heavy duress.   And for some odd reason, that training is literally ingrained in the mind as I cannot seem to kill those brain cells.</p>
 

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Sums it up pretty well.  The tug and pull of what you are doing and how much you hate it, yet love it when it is not there.   The high "unknowningness" of reactions, yet the reactions are close to how you are trained....and the training is amazing effective at getting you to react the way that is generally expected under heavy duress.   And for some odd reason, that training is literally ingrained in the mind as I cannot seem to kill those brain cells.</p>
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Try Absinth?</p>
 

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Try Absinth?</p>
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As a matter of fact, yup...only maybe me cut an ear off.</p>
 

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As a matter of fact, yup...only maybe me cut an ear off.</p>
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You've got 2</p>
 

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You've got 2</p>
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3 actually.  The 3rd one was very small and growing out out of my shoulder.   Almost looked like it was attached to a head.</p>
 

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Well then bizarro picasso then I see no problem here. hah.</p>
 

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