Sun-Times: Bears' plan is Borom at LT, Jenkins at RT. Hopefully one of them sticks for 2023.

[bamainatlanta]

Because they didn't really run a whole lot of slants. It was all hooks and come backs

Plays that practically encourage very little YAC. Thanks Nagy.

 

[gallagher]

Plays that practically encourage very little YAC. Thanks Nagy.

To add to that, how do we know if any of our players were worth a damn in such an uncoordinated offense?

I dread how the teams WR and OL group will look this season, but at the same time I am just as intrigued by the possibility that some of the guys from last year's offense actually don't suck.

 

[Bearly]

Who really cares what position he is on the line as long as he's good at it?

So this. Value was easily there if he becomes a perennial starter.

 

[iueyedoc]

I heard that the Bears are planning on designing zero plays where 3 WR converge to a single point next season, zero plays where the smallest guy on the team runs a goalline dive on third and 3 at the 50, and zero plays with silly catchy names, like "Santa's little fired for raging incompetence helpers."

So there is that.

 

[gallagher]

So this. Value was easily there if he becomes a perennial starter.

Plenty of interior linemen have been taken in the first round. If Jenkins can destroy at RG, then we got great value for the low low price of a second and third rounder. If he is merely good at RG and doesn't get a second contract here, I still would not be upset, because we used our picks on a goddamn starting lineman.

 

[Bearly]

Plenty of interior linemen have been taken in the first round. If Jenkins can destroy at RG, then we got great value for the low low price of a second and third rounder. If he is merely good at RG and doesn't get a second contract here, I still would not be upset, because we used our picks on a goddamn starting lineman.

I think a 2nd contract unless he gets priced out due to good play is the bar here.

I suspect they put Jenkins at RT because they don't want too many moving pert and are very comfortable with him there. Borom has VG feet. If he can do a bit better with his arms/hands and gained some strength, I could see it working out and if not, Jones is a great prospect for where drafted though potential is a lot different than play. I suspect he makes the 53 as our swing T.

 

[mattb78]

Jenkins was projected as a RT. He is a guy you can run behind and is better suited at RT.

Borom is more agile than projected and was supposed to be the guard to replace Daniels.

 

[mattb78]

I suspect they put Jenkins at RT because they don't want too many moving pert and are very comfortable with him there.

It was the concern when drafted that he didn't have the foot speed to play LT, and that is why he dropped out of the first. I think RT is his natural pro position.

 

[bamainatlanta]

To add to that, how do we know if any of our players were worth a damn in such an uncoordinated offense?

I dread how the teams WR and OL group will look this season, but at the same time I am just as intrigued by the possibility that some of the guys from last year's offense actually don't suck.

How many times did we see 2 or more Bears receivers in the same 3yd vicinity of one another?

 

[remydat]

I've always thought the Bears were the one team that was the absolute worst at running the screen pass.

Well more athletic and moble OL should help the screen game.

 

[rawdawg]

there were teams that ran more than they passed, literally

In 2021? Prove it

 

[greg23]

In 2021? Prove it

Use your googleator

 

[rawdawg]

Use your googleator

Why? You're the one that's wrong. As @bamainatlanta posted earlier in this thread.

NFL Football Stats - NFL Team Rushing Play Percentage | TeamRankings.com

NFL Football rushing play percentage , by team.

www.teamrankings.com

 

[greg23]

Why? You're the one that's wrong. As @bamainatlanta posted earlier in this thread.

NFL Football Stats - NFL Team Rushing Play Percentage | TeamRankings.com

NFL Football rushing play percentage , by team.

www.teamrankings.com

My googleator says you're wrong

NFL Run/Pass Ratios - 2021

Run/Pass ratios for the 2021 NFL season.

www.fftoday.com

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

I don't see any reason to doubt the plan being put forward.

Fields had one of the highest completion percentages in the league on roll outs - so what did Nagy do? Only rolled him out 19 times all year.

If I were to be designing an offense around my quarterback's strengths, that seems to be a pretty damn good strength to build around.

I also somewhat get the point that we won't know until the opposing team stops what the Bears are doing on offense - but only to a point.

Yes, we've typically seen, be it with Nagy or Gary Crowton, etc an offense that is only good until the NFL catches up and the defense adjusts, and then you really only then find out if you have a real QB/OC because the real ones know how to counter punch and adjust back.

But we are talking about a roll out here. How many times do we see roll outs and designed roll outs in the NFL week by week? If a roll out could "just be stopped" then we wouldn't still be seeing it, so the very premise of stopping roll outs on a whole for an entire game seems dumb. Sure, you can stop some roll outs, but in the type of offense that is being run, you can't stop all of them.

And given the state of the team right now, I actually DO expect the Bears to be very run-heavy. I think this is going to be a very vanilla offense to start - think the Shannahan offense in Denver, when pick-a-running back would feast on yards, which then would open up the designed roll outs etc.

Is it innovative? No. But it works, and is fundamentally NFL-tested and sound.

I think at this point, its a trial year for everyone, so they are just going to use 2023 as an extended scouting year anyway. The cap favors the Bears in 2023 to begin to make the real wholesale adjustments they might feel they need to.

 

[rawdawg]

My googleator says you're wrong

NFL Run/Pass Ratios - 2021

Run/Pass ratios for the 2021 NFL season.

www.fftoday.com

Like was said, "pass attempts" don't include sacks where a pass was intended to be thrown but wasn't. It also doesn't include pass plays where the QB scrambled, which would actually add a run instead of a pass attempt.

Your previous comment about audibles makes no sense, so please don't rehash that.

 

[greg23]

Like was said, "pass attempts" don't include sacks where a pass was intended to be thrown but wasn't. It also doesn't include pass plays where the QB scrambled, which would actually add a run instead of a pass attempt.

Your previous comment about audibles makes no sense, so please don't rehash that.

That's quite a bit of inferring; guessing and assuming.

Its simple......runs vs passes...... in 2021; 10% of nfl teams had more running plays than passing plays

End of story

 

[HeHateMe]

I don't see any reason to doubt the plan being put forward.

Fields had one of the highest completion percentages in the league on roll outs - so what did Nagy do? Only rolled him out 19 times all year.

If I were to be designing an offense around my quarterback's strengths, that seems to be a pretty damn good strength to build around.

I also somewhat get the point that we won't know until the opposing team stops what the Bears are doing on offense - but only to a point.

Yes, we've typically seen, be it with Nagy or Gary Crowton, etc an offense that is only good until the NFL catches up and the defense adjusts, and then you really only then find out if you have a real QB/OC because the real ones know how to counter punch and adjust back.

But we are talking about a roll out here. How many times do we see roll outs and designed roll outs in the NFL week by week? If a roll out could "just be stopped" then we wouldn't still be seeing it, so the very premise of stopping roll outs on a whole for an entire game seems dumb. Sure, you can stop some roll outs, but in the type of offense that is being run, you can't stop all of them.

And given the state of the team right now, I actually DO expect the Bears to be very run-heavy. I think this is going to be a very vanilla offense to start - think the Shannahan offense in Denver, when pick-a-running back would feast on yards, which then would open up the designed roll outs etc.

Is it innovative? No. But it works, and is fundamentally NFL-tested and sound.

I think at this point, its a trial year for everyone, so they are just going to use 2023 as an extended scouting year anyway. The cap favors the Bears in 2023 to begin to make the real wholesale adjustments they might feel they need to.

where did you steal this from?

 

[rawdawg]

That's quite a bit of inferring; guessing and assuming.

Its simple......runs vs passes...... in 2021; 10% of nfl teams had more running plays than passing plays

End of story

Yeah, but it's not. Even if you just look at sacks, which are counted and easily quantified as a drop back to distinguish between a pass play call and a designed QB run which would be a TFL, that only leaves the Eagles as a team that ran more than passed.

And saying, "running plays vs. passing plays" makes you more wrong that if you said rushes vs. pass attempts.

 

[greg23]

Yeah, but it's not. Even if you just look at sacks, which are counted and easily quantified as a drop back to distinguish between a pass play call and a designed QB run which would be a TFL, that only leaves the Eagles as a team that ran more than passed.

And saying, "running plays vs. passing plays" makes you more wrong that if you said rushes vs. pass attempts.

"Literally 0 teams ran more than the passed last year."


3 teams ran more than they passed; literally.

You can make up excuses for sacks, qb scrambles, tfl; audibles; etc......the official stats show that 3 teams had more rush attempts than pass attempts......literally.