Surprising. Disappointing, Intriguing

[Monk]

Mason Foster was coming off of 54 starts and 245 tackles for the Bucs.

I get that there was not a lot of options, but even then he has been better than I expected when on the field.

I was going to say Mason Foster had every chance to beat him out.

 

[Les Grossman]

I think this personnel and draft class emphasizes the importance of schemes/system fits for players. You can't always just draft good players, specifically on defense.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

The Shea McClellin anomaly can be explained in one simple sentence:

Who else on the fucking roster was better than Shea McClellin at the start of the preseason?

You thought that Christian Jones was better than him. Don't you remember?

 

[Mongo_76]

The Shea McClellin anomaly can be explained in one simple sentence:

Who else on the fucking roster was better than Shea McClellin at the start of the preseason?

I'll even go a step further... Shea has not only been the shiinest turd in the ILB category, he has also been a shinny turd on a crap laden D.

When you're comparing him to underperforming turds like Houston, Fuller, Ratliff, Ferguson, McMannis, and Young (not to mentione Allen and Bostic), A person could unwittingly forget that he is still a turd.

He's not a solid ILB. He's not even a "decent". He's cosistently plowed over, late to the hole, and downright pathetic in pass coverage.

His tackle numbers largely reflect 2 things: 1) His propensity to get there late and jump on the pile. and 2) the fact that he is targeted as a weak player in pass coverage relentlessly.

 

[Monk]

Wat? He gets tackle stats for jumping on a pile?

K

 

[Unannounced Fart]

Does the NFL still rely on the individual teams to report tackle numbers? I always thought that was kinda shady because it would seem that a team may have an interest in overstating or understating tackle numbers for their own players. It doesn't seem like the most reliable or trustworthy source.

 

[Larsonite]

The Shea McClellin anomaly can be explained in one simple sentence:

Who else on the fucking roster was better than Shea McClellin at the start of the preseason?

GM and coaches were here prior to preseason. They could have drafted or signed more players to compete but said from the beginning Shea would be an ILB. Fox even said he liked him coming out of college. Take it for what it's worth but i think they thought he could start given his roll calling the defense.

Sent from a spaghetti monster circling the earth

 

[Mongo_76]

Wat? He gets tackle stats for jumping on a pile?

K

Yes, it's called an "assisted tackle".

He leads the team in pile-jumping

 

[Monk]

Yes, it's called an "assisted tackle".

He leads the team in pile-jumping

I don't remember anyone saying how solid Shea's assisted tackle stats were. Maybe I missed it.

 

[Raskolnikov]

GMs don't hit on every single pick. I'm willing to bet White will pan out though, making it a good draft. I think Pace has done some good personnel moves considering how awful of a state the team was in going into this year.

for all intents and purposes, the offensive line they've been fielding the last few weeks could probably be most accurately described as PATCHWORK. and the amazing part is it's working. I'm sure there's areas they can improve more, but these are noobs. Slauson and Long are the only experienced players they have. compare this to the revolving door of FAs the Bears ran when Lovie was with the team; at least these are the Bears guys and they're super young and can improve more.

the defense is all young guys too. interesting that Shea's the leader. they've cut a lot of guys and replaced them with young kids that actually have upside.

I'm really impressed with all the moves they've had to make, most due to a multitude of injuries. it's strange but they're plugging in the backups and either getting equal or better play out of them. all the bitching about Fox since the last game, you have to admit this is an awesome situation for a young team to be in.

Whites ceiling to me looks like a middling #2. Somewhere between what Hankerson is now on the Falcons, and what White once was. He doesn't have the skills, or talent, to be a #1. We better keep Jeffery is all I am saying. White could be a helluva a compliment, and like you say, make that a good draft.

 

[gpphat]

Is this the CCS version of Marry one, **** one, Kill one?

 

[Mongo_76]

I don't remember anyone saying how solid Shea's assisted tackle stats were. Maybe I missed it.

I don't remember me saying anyone did.

 

[WindyCity]

Whites ceiling to me looks like a middling #2. Somewhere between what Hankerson is now on the Falcons, and what White once was. He doesn't have the skills, or talent, to be a #1. We better keep Jeffery is all I am saying. White could be a helluva a compliment, and like you say, make that a good draft.

I would love to hear why you think he is going to be a middling #2?

 

[Monk]

I don't remember me saying anyone did.

In the OP it says he has been a reliable tackler. Your post says his tackle numbers reflect his "getting there late and jumping on the pile". So I had to assume you were referring to the point of Shea being a surprise due in part to being a reliable tackler. If not, then I really don't know who or what you're talking about.

 

[MaoTenDoo]

I'll take the opinion of Vic Fangio over any interweb "expert".

Some fans may rejoice in his absence. But defensive coordinator Vic Fangio, whose direct, honest answers about players have stood out at Halas Hall, thinks losing McClellin for any amount of time is significant.

“It’s twofold,” Fangio told the Sun-Times on Wednesday. “We’re going to miss his good play and him quarterbacking our defense.”

Let’s be clear where Fangio, who has coached Hall-of-Fame and All-Pro linebackers in his career, stands on McClellin.

“I like him,” Fangio said. “His future is bright. He’s playing good for us. Obviously, we think he’ll play even better as we move on through this season and in the future. His future is bright here as a linebacker.”

LINKY

 

[Mongo_76]

In the OP it says he has been a reliable tackler. Your post says his tackle numbers reflect his "getting there late and jumping on the pile". So I had to assume you were referring to the point of Shea being a surprise due in part to being a reliable tackler. If not, then I really don't know who or what you're talking about.

Simply put, his tackle numbers are inflated because he is often late to the party. Think that is what I said when I posted....

Him being a "reliable tackler" was not what I was referring to as that would fall under the "tackles missed" stat not "tackles made".


However, in regards to that, he is often reliable for getting trucked and/or getting dragged 4-5 yards when he is "reliably tackling" someone who has already made a 4-5 yard gain...

 

[Monk]

Simply put, his tackle numbers are inflated because he is often late to the party. Think that is what I said when I posted....

Him being a "reliable tackler" was not what I was referring to as that would fall under the "tackles missed" stat not "tackles made".


However, in regards to that, he is often reliable for getting trucked and/or getting dragged 4-5 yards when he is "reliably tackling" someone who has already made a 4-5 yard gain...

Ok. So you're talking out of your ear hole then. Good to know.

 

[Mongo_76]

“I like him,” Fangio said. “His future is bright. He’s playing good for us. Obviously, we think he’ll play even better as we move on through this season and in the future. His future is bright here as a linebacker.”

^^^^

100% pure canned coaches babble.


Here's what Tucker said on his move to outside linebacker:

“We think overall he’s done a solid job really in his first opportunity as a linebacker in this league under some very tough circumstances,” defensive coordinator Mel Tucker said. “I would say that he, just like the rest of us, is not where we want him to be, but he’s worked to get to where he is, and there’s still tremendous upside for him there, we believe. It was a good decision [to change positions].”

And here's what Marinelli said on him at DE:

"He can move well. Nice range. Hungry. Tough. I believe he'll come out and do a nice job".

 

[Mongo_76]

Ok. So you're talking out of your ear hole then. Good to know.

No. i'm discussing his inflated tackling stats.

You don't get that?

That's you're intellectual deficiency - not mine.

 

[Monk]

No. i'm discussing his inflated tackling stats.

You don't get that?

That's you're intellectual deficiency - not mine.

You have provided nothing but speculation. No "inflated" stats at all. And you're claiming things are happening in games that I don't see. Provided I'm not staring down the middle linebacker every play, but Shea doesn't stand out as a problem in my eyes at all. And I'm sure I would notice him getting constantly trucked and ran over.