Sutton and ferguson..were they wasted picks?

[OnemanWolfpack]

Bottom line is nobody has a clue what this defense will look like. You can guess based on what San Fran did but the Bears don't have Willis, Bowman, Smith..... Fangio may decide to run this defense a lot different than what he has in the past based on the talent that he has here. Like an earlier poster said, if they are good players they will find a role.... if the coaching is as good as we are all hoping.

 

[mecha]

Bottom line is nobody has a clue what this defense will look like. You can guess based on what San Fran did but the Bears don't have Willis, Bowman, Smith..... Fangio may decide to run this defense a lot different than what he has in the past based on the talent that he has here. Like an earlier poster said, if they are good players they will find a role.... if the coaching is as good as we are all hoping.

great coaches build around the players they have, instead of that Marc Trestman and Lovie Smith bullshit of hammering circle pegs into square holes. considering the Bears personnel is entirely different than the 49ers it's all pure speculation from this point.

I love seeing how people obsess over this shit with 3 months to go until preseason.

 

[RacerX]

I forgot to add in that Ferguson was a 2nd round pick and Sutton was a 3rd round pick that many viewed as a 2nd round pick. They have potential.

And, and....in 2007 Dan Bazuin was a 2nd round choice and Michael Okwo was a 3rd round pick. About equally relevant.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

now that we are moving to a 3-4 are these two wasted picks? Sutton isnt playing NT and i really dont see him playing left or right end. As for ego i think he could play NT but no way is he playing over ratliffe or goldman. I want tonsay i thought both played well for rookies in our 4-3 but now... Do they even see the field outside of a few plays?

There is talk of moving Ratliff around. Ego will be an insurance policy in case someone gets dinged up. He will also spell both during the games.

As for Sutton, maybe Fangio can do something with him?

 

[dafridge72]

And, and....in 2007 Dan Bazuin was a 2nd round choice and Michael Okwo was a 3rd round pick. About equally relevant.

Hearing the names Dan Bazuin and Michael Okwo just made a little vomit creep up in my mouth. That was the Bears trying to get cute with there draft after a super bowl year.

 

[Tall Glass Of Jeffery]

Ego will provide depth on the line so no. Sutton might not fit the defense and could very well be traded before the season so no. I want to see what Fangio thinks of Sutton before I claim he can't play in a 3-4. He has tremendous pass rushing skills from the inside so maybe he can play the 5.

 

[Jester]

If they are good players...good coaches will find a way to use them. You could even still see some 4-3 looks and plug a fresh Sutton in at 3-tech with a fresh Jared Allen at end...just to **** with Lovie...er...opposing offenses.

A "Fresh Jared Allen", now that's funny.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

They are not wasted picks. You need multiple DLmen to play football and it is okay that some of them have different skill sets.

Ferguson will play behind Ratliff at DE and will probably start in 2016.

Sutton will have a role as a situational rusher and possibly a backup NT. Christ he is bigger than Glenn Dorsey and Ian Williams who started for Fangio in SF.

Christ, they are 2nd year players let the develop and breath a little. Just because the Bears drafted a NT does not mean that any guy on the roster is wasted or not going to fit. It means that the Bears were razor thin on the DL.

So you are saying that I shouldn't start a "Since the Bears picked up that huge soon-to-be RG, was Long a wasted pick?" Thread?

 

[didshereallysaythat]

I love seeing how people obsess over this shit with 3 months to go until preseason.

Exactly! We have a Bulls playoff game tonight and all people can talk about is the Bears on here.

 

[Penny Traitor]

A "Fresh Jared Allen", now that's funny.

Yeah...it felt wrong just typing it out. I never wanted Allen, but even I did not think he would have that bad a season. The point stands that we will find a way to use these guys.

(Allen can not be a twelve million dollar seatwarmer)

 

[JoJoBoxer]

Exactly! We have a Bulls playoff game tonight and all people can talk about is the Bears on here.

Of course, this is the Bears forum, not the Bulls forum.

 

[ZenBear34]

well personally i thought ferguson was a huge reach. i didn't really understand the choice there. i think he can have a role but i question more if he's even an NFL caliber player rather then where he fits.

sutton i actually liked a lot coming out of college but i see him as strictly a 3 technique. whatever else fangio does or doesn't do, one constant is his desire for versatility. can his 3 technique slide to the 5 or 1 or 0 if the offense gives a different look? with sutton, the answer is no. he's an interior gap splitter and that's it. it would not surprise me to see him traded for a late round/conditional pick in camp.

it's always hard to gauge draft classes in situations where they have an entirely new class in their 2nd season. the bears philosophy is very different then it was last year and only time will tell if any of these guys fit. the protection of being a "high" draft pick means nothing with a new staff. i think there's a decent chance neither ferguson or sutton are on the bears come opening day. i mean, honestly, i could see a situation where the only player from last years draft left is fuller.

 

[dabears253313]

And, and....in 2007 Dan Bazuin was a 2nd round choice and Michael Okwo was a 3rd round pick. About equally relevant.

And there is a long list of 2nd and 3rd round picks that pan out, so nice try "realist." Charles Tillman was a 2nd round pick and Lance Briggs was taken after him in the 3rd round.

Also, Dan Bazuin had two knee injuries within one year so we DON'T know if he would have made an impact or had been a bust. Michael Okwo didn't amount to much, do you want a cookie or a smiley sticker?

 

[Runruffshod75]

Ego might get some marginal reps as a two-down DE in a 3-4. Don't see where Sutton fits at all.

I'm not so sure about that though. Fangio has used smaller personnel up front, because he's not always running a 2 gap system, McDonald is only 290 pounds. However if the plan was to keep some of the smaller D-Linemen I would have rather kept Paea, even at more money than Sutton. Paea may not have size, but he has the power of a large 2 gap DT to eat blocks & funnel the play through the LB's, & play as a pass rusher when Fangio does trot a 1 gap attacking front out there in the nickel. I thought letting Paea walk was a mistake. Where I'm not sure Sutton is going to be able contribute nearly as much.

 

[onebud34]

The D-line rotation will be interesting this year.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Can't answer OP's question until we get to see them play in preseason a bit. At this point I doubt Pace and Fox even truly know until they get these guys on the grass hitting each other for a few weeks. They'll get a chance to compete and the best guys will remain, that's about all I can say at this point.

 

[RacerX]

And there is a long list of 2nd and 3rd round picks that pan out, so nice try "realist." Charles Tillman was a 2nd round pick and Lance Briggs was taken after him in the 3rd round.

Also, Dan Bazuin had two knee injuries within one year so we DON'T know if he would have made an impact or had been a bust. Michael Okwo didn't amount to much, do you want a cookie or a smiley sticker?

You don't want to go down the rabbit-hole of attempting to rationalize the Bazuin pick, it's not going to end well.

As to your previous post that I initially replied to (#19 in this thread), you asserted that they had "potential" because of the fact they were drafted in the first three rounds. What people thought about those two prior to last year's draft doesn't amount to much right now, as I see it.

Bottom line, if we were redrafting 2014 we would have selected neither one of them, regardless of 4-3 or 3-4 schemes.

 

[Brownie]

They are not wasted picks. You need multiple DLmen to play football and it is okay that some of them have different skill sets.

Ferguson will play behind Ratliff at DE and will probably start in 2016.

Sutton will have a role as a situational rusher and possibly a backup NT. Christ he is bigger than Glenn Dorsey and Ian Williams who started for Fangio in SF.

Christ, they are 2nd year players let the develop and breath a little. Just because the Bears drafted a NT does not mean that any guy on the roster is wasted or not going to fit. It means that the Bears were razor thin on the DL.

Exactly. If Fangio found a way to use Williams, he can surely find a way to use Sutton..

 

[BearsFan51]

Obviously Sutton is not an ideal fit in this defense. That being said Sutton played in 3-4 fronts at ASU so the concepts and assignments will not be completely foreign to him. He played between the 3 and 5-technique and was successful at both. His 2012 Missouri tape has him rushing off the edge as a DE.

Again he's not an ideal fit and if he struggles the Bears likely will need to upgrade that spot to a player better suited for the position. However, it's too early to write him off and it's silly to call it a wasted pick since Emery saw the future as getting better with new talent on the 4-3 defense.

Figured people would be beyond making posts based on hindsight.

 

[TheDane]

I don't know if they're wasted picks. We'll find out soon enough.

But I'm having a tough time seeing where Sutton fits in. I remember thinking last year, when the pick was announced, "we better not be switching to a 3-4 anytime soon with this pick" - and whoops, it happened. To me he's a 4-3 UT only. I hope Fangio and Sutton works out something, though. I like the kid.