T-Wolves interested in trading for Butler

[Axl Rose]

he wont be traded but i think not taking Celtics offer of #3+sweetener will end up being a mistake. you're not gonna win with Jimmy as you lead guy and i don't foresee a true superstar coming aboard anytime soon

cash your chips in and start fresh

 

[PolarBear]

he wont be traded but i think not taking Celtics offer of #3+sweetener will end up being a mistake. you're not gonna win with Jimmy as you lead guy and i don't foresee a true superstar coming aboard anytime soon

cash your chips in and start fresh

I don't think you are going to get a better player than Jimmy at #3. If this was the Lakers #2 pick, I would say do it and build around Ingram for the future.

I would rather just get rid of all the players from the old regime/leadership group, hand this team to Jimmy and give all the young guys some real time on the court to see what we have.

 

[SW_Bulls]

You mean like Garpax coming out and announcing they plan to trade Jimmy Butler or Jimmy saying he was told he was going to be traded? No. That usually never happens. It only becomes concrete once the trade actually happens.

As in is there any local sports reporters that are usually in the know more than generic reports or twitter accounts, like we have here in England, a local sports reporter is usually available to confirm or deny certain reports

 

[dreadpirateroberts]

I'm on the keep Jimmy and trade the old guard. Let Noah go, trade Gibson in the draft and look to move Rose to some desperate team once they realise they ain't getting KD or Lebron.

Anybody think #14 and Gibson could get us into the top 10?

With this year's being a crapshoot, it is a real possibility. Might have to throw in a second rounder or something.

 

[Axl Rose]

I don't think you are going to get a better player than Jimmy at #3. If this was the Lakers #2 pick, I would say do it and build around Ingram for the future.

I would rather just get rid of all the players from the old regime/leadership group, hand this team to Jimmy and give all the young guys some real time on the court to see what we have.

Im not concerned about getting a player better than Jimmy. I'd be content as long as the player we do draft is a starter caliber talent.

 

[The Hawk]

Im not concerned about getting a player better than Jimmy. I'd be content as long as the player we do draft is a starter caliber talent.

With a number of teams likely interested in Butler, the Bulls should try like hell to set up a scenario to basically put him up for auction. In a way, they are in the driver's seat. In another way, they have Gar/Pax

 

[The Hawk]

Im not concerned about getting a player better than Jimmy. I'd be content as long as the player we do draft is a starter caliber talent.

Why do you think that? What purpose does it serve to intentionally get worse? I can see blowing this team up but how you do it is important and have a goal in mind in terms of the guys you get in return.

 

[Axl Rose]

Why do you think that? What purpose does it serve to intentionally get worse? I can see blowing this team up but how you do it is important and have a goal in mind in terms of the guys you get in return.

im not saying give Jimmy away for nothing, im just not concerning myself with the question "can that player be as good" ppl are not wanting to trade him for anything other than a player that is projected to be better

spoiler: thats not happening. so the question is, would you rather spend the next 4-5 years being treadmill team and then rebuild or start the rebuild now with more assets and then in maybe 4-5 years have a contender again?

 

[PolarBear]

im not saying give Jimmy away for nothing, im just not concerning myself with the question "can that player be as good" ppl are not wanting to trade him for anything other than a player that is projected to be better

spoiler: thats not happening. so the question is, would you rather spend the next 4-5 years being treadmill team and then rebuild or start the rebuild now with more assets and then in maybe 4-5 years have a contender again?

Why can't Jimmy be apart of that process though (assuming he still wants to be a Bull)? If Jimmy wants to be here, moving him for the #3 pick doesn't make sense.

The Bulls have some young, promising players. Mirotic still has some room to grow, McDermott took a positive step last year and became much more efficient, Bobby Portis looks like a steal and Feliciano and Holiday even showed some flashes.

The Bulls have an opportunity to add to that young group this off-season and by trading Gibson, could add even more.

You are pretty much suggesting a tanking strategy but as we have seen in Philly, that doesn't always work. Heck, you pretty much have to be a really bad team and then hope you get the ping pong balls to fall the right way so you can get the top pick. Even then, you have to hope there is a transcendent talent coming out that year to really make that pick worthwhile.

That is really a process you cannot control. The odds of those things happening are extremely slim and no matter what you think of the Bulls FO ability to bring in FA's, it's much more likely that they bring in a top FA than get that transcendent young talent. It's also something you have more control over.

Otherwise you can very well end up like teams such as the Kings who pick in the lottery every year and don't get anywhere.

I would rather the Bulls keep Butler if he wants to stay, get what you can for Rose and Gibson, be smart in FA and go into the year seeing what these young guys can do with some real court time. If a few of those young guys have solid seasons, it looks a lot more attractive to have Butler and some young promising players.

 

[Axl Rose]

Why can't Jimmy be apart of that process though (assuming he still wants to be a Bull)? If Jimmy wants to be here, moving him for the #3 pick doesn't make sense.

because hes 27 and is his prime now. so you can't really "rebuild" you just put the best team you can around him which will probably only be a 45-50 win team until it flames out like this current roster

but by then your assets would have greatly diminished in value and you wont be able to set yourself up in as great of position as you would now.....i don't think it matters though as my way is not gonna happen

 

[CubsWin]

I honestly don't know what to do about Jimmy Butler. The temptation to trade him and tank is great, but that can backfire easily. The Bulls tried that before in the late 90's-early 00's. The Marcus Fizer-Eddy Curry-Tyson Chandler-Jay Williams era. Interesting that our coach was an Iowa State guy back then.

 

[The Hawk]

im not saying give Jimmy away for nothing, im just not concerning myself with the question "can that player be as good" ppl are not wanting to trade him for anything other than a player that is projected to be better

spoiler: thats not happening. so the question is, would you rather spend the next 4-5 years being treadmill team and then rebuild or start the rebuild now with more assets and then in maybe 4-5 years have a contender again?

My answer is that you should only trade anyone if you think yu are getting as good or better value in return. Stripping the roster just for shits and grins are to me not smart.

 

[Enasic]

As in is there any local sports reporters that are usually in the know more than generic reports or twitter accounts, like we have here in England, a local sports reporter is usually available to confirm or deny certain reports

It's all speculation at this point. Nobody credible has come out and said anything concrete or specific.

 

[Enasic]

The good thing about the whole Jimmy situation is, we don't have to trade him this year. If we get a good deal, great, but if we hang onto him for another season, he's still going to be an extremely attractive commodity with the cap going up again, and after teams strike out on some of the top dogs in free agency. His contract will look even better by that time as well. I'd love if the Celtics offer up a huge package with the Nets pick, or if the Wolves offer up Wiggins and #5...but if something like that doesn't happen, the Bulls don't have to be desperate to move him.

 

[SW_Bulls]

With Rose being moved on, do people believe this will increase the chance of Butler being moved on as well? Or does it now become less likely letting them both go?

 

[Scoot26]

With Rose being moved on, do people believe this will increase the chance of Butler being moved on as well? Or does it now become less likely letting them both go?

I think Butler stays for sure now.

 

[clonetrooper264]

With Rose being moved on, do people believe this will increase the chance of Butler being moved on as well? Or does it now become less likely letting them both go?

I agree with Scoot, but one could argue if GarPax wanted to blow it up they could by trading Butler for a high lotto pick. Though because it is GarPax, it makes more sense to think that they're all in with building around Butler and they will do so with little success.

 

[Raskolnikov]

The good thing about the whole Jimmy situation is, we don't have to trade him this year. If we get a good deal, great, but if we hang onto him for another season, he's still going to be an extremely attractive commodity with the cap going up again, and after teams strike out on some of the top dogs in free agency. His contract will look even better by that time as well. I'd love if the Celtics offer up a huge package with the Nets pick, or if the Wolves offer up Wiggins and #5...but if something like that doesn't happen, the Bulls don't have to be desperate to move him.

this is a fantastic overview of the situation touching on all points.

 

[SilenceS]

I agree with Scoot, but one could argue if GarPax wanted to blow it up they could by trading Butler for a high lotto pick. Though because it is GarPax, it makes more sense to think that they're all in with building around Butler and they will do so with little success.

Yall are so poo. Bulls winning da ship next year. Bulls gonna shock the world!

 

[DirtyDutchDiggler]

With Rose being moved on, do people believe this will increase the chance of Butler being moved on as well? Or does it now become less likely letting them both go?

I think they are waiting for the right offer and the thing is they have the upper hand. I think The FO wants to start fresh. If they don't get the deal they want this draft and it isn't looking good by next trade deadline you could almost guarantee a trade and get a better return and tank for a draft that is said to be The best since 2003.