Teams that have a worse QB Situation

[DJMoore_is_fat]

just to review here you're currently white knighting for a qb with a passer rating of 83. You're lecturing people on learning lessons?

lmao!

 

[FirstTimer]

Okay, but name one objective measure that places Tannehill above Cutler?

Rating 85 versus 83
Win percentage .508 to .462
Yards per attempt 7.17 to 6.73
Completion Percentage 61.7 to 61.4
Touchdowns per pass 4.7 to 3.8

The only argument is interceptions, but Tannehill turns the ball over himself. As the TD-Int ratio is 1.41 to 1.49.

In other words, an objective analysis puts Tannehill behind Cutler (with a much more talented team too)

Can you not read well? The entire discussion revolved around Tannehill showing significant progress from '13 to '14 and it still being very early in '15. Tannehill through three games last year wasn't that great either(actually worse than he has been this year) so you're missing the point.

Would you rather have a 32 year old oft injured QB coming off another barely average season or would you rather have a 27 year old healthy QB coming off a season where he improved across the board(and was better than the aforementioned 32 year old)?

The early returns for each QB aren't great so far in '15 but you're missing the big picture here.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

Really? Then how do teams keep cycling through assholes like Kyle Orton and Ryan Fitzpatrick every season that put up similar numbers?

Every single year for the most part Cutler is outperformed by some scrapheap QB that a team traded peanuts for or signed for almost nothing.

Both Orton and Fitzpatrick put up similar numbers to Cutler only when they had very good defenses around them and were asked to manage them game. You put either of them on this Bears team and they don't put up Cutler numbers IMO. And those are probably the best free agency options which further backs up my point.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

Can you not read well? The entire discussion revolved around Tannehill showing significant progress from '13 to '14 and it still being very early in '15. Tannehill through three games last year wasn't that great either(actually worse than he has been this year) so you're missing the point.

Would you rather have a 32 year old oft injured QB coming off another barely average season or would you rather have a 27 year old healthy QB coming off a season where he improved across the board?

The early returns for each QB aren't great so far in '15 but you're missing the big picture here.

I would rather have Tannehill due to a higher ceiling. But I would also not be surprised one bit if he bottoms out of the league in 3 years. They just fired their coach btw, let's see how he rebounds.

 

[Bearin' Down]

Can you not read well? The entire discussion revolved around Tannehill showing significant progress from '13 to '14 and it still being very early in '15. Tannehill through three games last year wasn't that great either(actually worse than he has been this year) so you're missing the point.

Would you rather have a 32 year old oft injured QB coming off another barely average season or would you rather have a 27 year old healthy QB coming off a season where he improved across the board?

The early returns for each QB aren't great so far in '15 but you're missing the big picture here.

As between the two, I'd rather have Cutler. He may have "improved" last year, but it appears he's regressing towards the mean again this year. And any way you toss the dice his ypc last year was far from impressive and is more consistent with a game manager than a playmaker. Regardless, his coach was just fired so I doubt he makes some sort of big leap throughout this year.

Also, so we are clear, your argument is based on speculation. Mine is on facts.

Also, I'd rather have Cutler because: 1) he's better, 2) after next year he's basically cost free to cut, 3) we know we need a replacement. The dolphins are going to have to resign Tannehill to a huge contract and they will be stuck with him for YEARS before they realize he's not a franchise signal caller. At least we are at that point.

 

[FirstTimer]

I would rather have Tannehill due to a higher ceiling. .

Yeah. That's the point.

 

[bearmick]

Okay, but name one objective measure that places Tannehill above Cutler?

Rating 85 versus 83
Win percentage .508 to .462
Yards per attempt 7.17 to 6.73
Completion Percentage 61.7 to 61.4
Touchdowns per pass 4.7 to 3.8

The only argument is interceptions, but Tannehill turns the ball over himself. As the TD-Int ratio is 1.41 to 1.49.

In other words, an objective analysis puts Tannehill behind Cutler (with a much more talented team too)

What?

The skill position players around Cutler recently - M Forte, B Marshall, A Jeffery, M Bennett

Tannehill has had Lamar Miller, Mike Wallace, Brian Hartline, Charles Clay.

 

[onebud34]

As between the two, I'd rather have Cutler. He may have "improved" last year, but it appears he's regressing towards the mean again this year. And any way you toss the dice his ypc last year was far from impressive and is more consistent with a game manager than a playmaker. Regardless, his coach was just fired so I doubt he makes some sort of big leap throughout this year.

Also, so we are clear, your argument is based on speculation. Mine is on facts.

Also, I'd rather have Cutler because: 1) he's better, 2) after next year he's basically cost free to cut, 3) we know we need a replacement. The dolphins are going to have to resign Tannehill to a huge contract and they will be stuck with him for YEARS before they realize he's not a franchise signal caller. At least we are at that point.

They extended him this offseason.

I'll take Tannehill

 

[PrideisBears]

Are you fucks really going to make this a Cutler thread?

 

[FirstTimer]

As between the two, I'd rather have Cutler.

LOL. Ok. Got it.

He may have "improved" last year, but it appears he's regressing towards the mean again this year.

And Cutler isn't?

Also, so we are clear, your argument is based on speculation. Mine is on facts.

Tannehill's improvement from '13 to '14 isn't a statistical fact? Weird.


Stop posting.

Thanks.

Also, so we are clear, your argument is based on speculation. Mine is on facts.

The dolphins are going to have to resign Tannehill to a huge contract and they will be stuck with him for YEARS before they realize he's not a franchise signal caller. At least we are at that point.

Ironing. All of it.

 

[The Hawk]

I think that Cutler is doing pretty well in this offense. He is not holding onto the ball too long. And these short drops are not having him throw off of his back foot so often. That is where he gets his interceptions a lot of the time. I wish we had someone better but you can say that for the most part of all of the starters on this team with few exceptions....Forte, Bennett, McPhee, Bushrod, Long, and a few others.

 

[satchice]

Okay, but name one objective measure that places Tannehill above Cutler?

Rating 85 versus 83
Win percentage .508 to .462
Yards per attempt 7.17 to 6.73
Completion Percentage 61.7 to 61.4
Touchdowns per pass 4.7 to 3.8

The only argument is interceptions, but Tannehill turns the ball over himself. As the TD-Int ratio is 1.41 to 1.49.

In other words, an objective analysis puts Tannehill behind Cutler (with a much more talented team too)

Not sure about that Dolphins Oline is the pitts. Skill position wise Bears are way better off.. I think Tannehill is very comparable to Cutler talent wise. They both are above average QBs, but Tannehill is younger with more promise. Neither one is ever going to be elite but either one could be in the top 10 talk any giving year.

 

[Bearin' Down]

LOL. Ok. Got it.


And Cutler isn't?



Tannehill's improvement from '13 to '14 isn't a statistical fact? Weird.


Stop posting.

Thanks.



Ironing. All of it.

We know what the mean is for Cutler and he's playing at it. You're argument is that Ryan Tannehill improved last year and we don't know about this year, but he's played bad. My point is that perhaps it's a regression towards the mean. The mean being substandard play. If his improvement in 13 to 14 is a "statistical fact," his 15 stats are and more so his career stats, which is what we were focused on. Give me one objective reason other than speculation as to why you'd take him over Cutler. You can cite to last year, but that has to take into account his regression this year.

 

[Bearin' Down]

Not sure about that Dolphins Oline is the pitts. Skill position wise Bears are way better off.. I think Tannehill is very comparable to Cutler talent wise. They both are above average QBs, but Tannehill is younger with more promise. Neither one is ever going to be elite but either one could be in the top 10 talk any giving year.

I don't think either should be in the top 10 talk.

 

[iueyedoc]

Since Jay Cutlers draft year, 1st rounders with 2 years of service include:
Vince Young
Matt Lienart
J'marcus Russell
Brady Quinn
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Jake Locker
Blaine Gabbert
Christian Ponder
Robert Griffin
Ryan Tannehill
Branden Weeden
EJ Manuel

That's 15 misses, though Tannehill could be argued to be near Cutler.


Only this group of 5 can be considered as good or better than Cutler:

Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Matt Stafford
Cam Newton
Andrew Luck


With Stafford questionable to this group.

If the guy Pace and Co. like is there fine, but the melt down that will surely ensue if the Bears pass on Goff, if available, will be hysterically epic.

 

[satchice]

As between the two, I'd rather have Cutler. He may have "improved" last year, but it appears he's regressing towards the mean again this year. And any way you toss the dice his ypc last year was far from impressive and is more consistent with a game manager than a playmaker. Regardless, his coach was just fired so I doubt he makes some sort of big leap throughout this year.

Also, so we are clear, your argument is based on speculation. Mine is on facts.

Also, I'd rather have Cutler because: 1) he's better, 2) after next year he's basically cost free to cut, 3) we know we need a replacement. The dolphins are going to have to resign Tannehill to a huge contract and they will be stuck with him for YEARS before they realize he's not a franchise signal caller. At least we are at that point.

TO late they already signed him in the offseason to a 4 year 77 Mil contract...

 

[Desperado34]

 

[FirstTimer]

We know what the mean is for Cutler and he's playing at it.

Actually he's not. Right now he's around 7% below his career average.

You're argument is that Ryan Tannehill improved last year and we don't know about this year, but he's played bad.

So has Cutler.

If his improvement in 13 to 14 is a "statistical fact," his 15 stats are and more so his career stats, which is what we were focused on. Give me one objective reason other than speculation as to why you'd take him over Cutler. You can cite to last year, but that has to take into account his regression this year.

So Cutler's continued regression this year isn't a concern?

I've already given the reasons for Tannehill.

 

[DaaBears]

Ooops,, Tannehill just got his head coach fired. Lots of similarities.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

I really would not say that Cutler has regressed so far this year given the injuries surrounding him and the offense so far.